GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #10

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  1. grayhuze

    grayhuze Gray Hughes

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    Thrill kill doesn't make sense. Sorry.
     


  2. Razz

    Razz Well-Known Member

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    Well, my original theory was they were going to see if Mr. D's. beheading had the impact they were hoping for. And if not, there was always Mrs.D's disappearance to "negotiate with." And I'm not sure a boat was used. I somehow visualize a car. A boat would have been unwieldy and too out in the open.


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  3. colette

    colette Well-Known Member

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    I think the area were her body was found was boat access only. People fishing found her. There was a good dock at the home and it could have been done at dusk or even at night.
     
  4. Part 2.

    Beheading an 88 year old person who would do this? was it planned?
    Someone who beheads is angry about something. Typically this is a mafia or religious thing but it could also be rage. No connections to the mafia and at his age they aren't worried about him. Religion can be considered out since they were still attending church services on the regular.
    Beheadings are not a spur of the moment thing this was very well planned and anybody who plans something like this is not after possessions they are out for revenge or money.

    Nobody heard any noises? Apparently not since there are no witnesses who have come forward with any clues about noise or seeing cars or people. This tells me this was done during the daytime or very early evening. if this was a late night job during the dead of night someone would have heard something.
    why was nothing taken or broken? my guess is either the valuables weren't taken because this was not about a random or even selective robbery . This had to be a paid hit and since I doubt the mafia was involved on their own . if this wasn't a paid hit there would have been stolen items . Why do I think this was done by a family member or close relative? If this was a mob hit they would have left money behind which leaves the family. The family didn't need to take anything since they would be getting all of it once the estate was settled.

    Think about this. Who would have anything to gain by killing 2 elderly people? I think someone who needed the money. You guessed it the family. They seemed to be in good health and my bet is the restaurant business was suffering and they needed the money soon. They did sell the house kind of fast and i'm sure there was a large life insurance policy on both of them ... double cash out. They sold the house for over 700k I read. That's a lot of money plus any insurance money probably puts the family in the million dollar range maybe much more since I haven't heard about their savings and stock portfolio. Anyone who would behead someone was in rage, and hiding the head was just to hide any prints that may have been left on the head or face.

    No DNA match yet so it can't be family right? Wrong. It could be that the dna was a close match so close that they don't know if it was the killers or the victims and you can't get a conviction on a 50/50 chance. So it goes on. I believe the PD knows who did this but just can't get a conviction if it goes to trial because of the dna. Time to focus on the family
     
  5. Also it's been well over 2 years and not a suspect and the family hasn't gone to the media for help, the police never give updates anymore, and since this is a very clever murder wouldn't a tv show want to do a show on this? I wonder if the police or family have been asked about a possible show on this murder. Odd since a show would reach more people and might provide some information ( like a friend was visiting that area on that weekend) .. personally I think the police know who did this but can't prove it without a doubt
     
  6. Razz

    Razz Well-Known Member

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    Well, I think they can. IF there were problems in the restaurant business or IF there were problems in the international real
    estate business, I can't imagine it would be too hard to follow the money. We have different theories but I too think it goes back to the family somehow and if they can untangle those pesky money trails, I believe therein is an answer. But it will take more than SO Sills to do it and the addition of a really good forensic accountant.


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  7. Foxfire

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    The family has nothing to do with the Dermond murders, imo, and if they did we are not allowed to sleuth or accuse them..'The writing is on the wall and the devil is in the details'... I've sleuthed many cases on websleuths over the years, but must admit that none with a publicly made idle threat and a motive more obvious than in the Dermond murders, imo. The Irene and Russel Dermond murders were to send a message; a message of revenge, retribution aimed at Sheriff Sills, the Putnam County Justice System, and the Putnam County Community.. jmo
     
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    Agreed. Implicitly.
     
  9. Treelights

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    Irene??
    I am sure you meant Shirley! :)
    Good Morning! It's been awhile since I have been on here. Hopefully the murders will be solved. Personally, I don't think it has anything to do with revenge on Sheriff Sills, though.

    IMOO.
     
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  10. Razz

    Razz Well-Known Member

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    At no time have I believed, thought or entertained the idea that the Dermonds' murders were planned or executed by their children. The money they would have received from the parent's demise would have been pocket change.

    I do believe however, that there was a message behind the killings, and not to the reelected
    Sheriff Sills, but to the family. It is the only thing IMO that makes any kind of logical sense.

    I have a hunch that it somehow comes down to money and a trained forensic accountant or two (who the county may not be able to afford) would be necessary.

    And again, this may be wishful thinking on my part. I hate to think there is a or are random killers out there waiting to do it again to unsuspecting people.
    And if it was a cult, their message was not received by anyone to whom it may have mattered. In other words, it was and continues to be, a dismal and colossal failure.

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    Sad to find out that Mrs Dow passed away Saturday Aug 27 at Grady Hospital in Atlanta where she had been hospitalized since the home invasion on August 4.

    http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/woman-beaten-burned-in-georgia-home-dies-at-83/nsM8b/
     
  12. dancinunderthemoon

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    They were the lesson learned or message for the......fa......SOMEONE............. involved in something or who would not conform...............this is the ONLY thing that makes sense due to the facts about the crime and home condition IMO
     
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    Dear Lord,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I've not seen this, have had some family personal health issues at home since Dec so have not been keeping up!!!!!! Glad they caught him
     
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    Could this all be political if connected? We have a war on our soil in todays times! YKWIM
     
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    the only ones to suffer, per se', is the family still alive to live thru this.............................why I think it's a message to someone that would really suffer from their loss or be taught a lesson to comply to soemthing in the future
     
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    Hmm, interesting thoughts arise form this post Colette..............any perps would know that the D' children wuold gain from the loss of BOTH parents at one time.......only one deceased parent, holds up the whole inheritance issue.............could it be that removing Mrs D from the scene was meant to DELAY any inheritance to the children...........BUT if they had not found shirley, would the inheritance be tied up in court for years until she was discovered, if EVER.............the family wouldnt' hope for this if they had been invovled in the crime of course, BUT on the other hand, could this have been a ploy to make it APPEAR that someone else was involved and she was placed where she was KNOWING that she would be found soon enough?? .............

    OR...could it be just a ploy to give the killers time to escape by confusing the investigation...........without killers thinking of the consequences as to inheritance to the family and extortion then would not have been the plan if their motive was payoff....................on the other hand, if they knew she would be found soon as well, the confusion would aide in a fast get away by the perps AND soon get there payoff?

    But there is no way in EITHER case IMO that she would be found soon or even in tact as she was for easy ID.....................unless of course she was anchored to the very tree she was found snagged upon

    ACH........just some new thoughts and angles I've never thought of, still pros and cons i've not relayed here, hard to get my thoughts on paper maybe yall will get my jist..............thanks for sparking them Colette
     
  17. Foxfire

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    After Mr Russel Dermond was brutally murdered and beheaded, Mrs Shirley Dermond was likely taken as a hostage in case of routine boat inspection by DNR or a 911 call made by a neighbor, imo. When the possible suspect was witnessed in the Dermond's yard, it would be reasonable to conclude that he/she was aware that they had been witnessed. When they safely reached their destination five miles up the lake without law enforcement involvement. She would have been no further use to them and that's likely why she was disposed of in the lake near the boat launch. jmo
     
  18. 2Hope4

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    Someone mentioned something above that made me think......I don't think we have seen the estate or the will yet. Are those public after a year? Some people DO have separate wills from their spouse. I know my parents did, and they are no where near as rich as the Dermonds were. However, if either spouse had a kid before the current marriage, that could play a factor in wills. Likewise if a parent is mad at a child, they could write them out of the will, or give them less than the other siblings.

    Wonder if anything like that happened here? Or was the estate left to the grandkids and not the kids? Any left to charities? Church? Maybe money truly is the way to solving this.

    But how would we go further with that thought unless we can see the will, or trust or whatever it's called?

    **Hoping this makes sense. My Dad died the last part of June. My thinking still isn't clear! Had he been murdered....dear Lord I don't know how I would breath. I know I would at some point be screaming for someone to be held accountable, but honestly, knowing he was dying, I still haven't been able to 'live' more than just existing....**
     
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    Interesting theory. So along that line, was Mrs D not killed until after the 5 mile ride in the boat? And if so, why not just drown her since she was weighted down? Why the 'blunt force trauma'? JMO, but I would think since she was weighted, drowning would have been easier for the perp, and less chance for Mrs D to scream or do anything to alert others that she was being killed.

    I'm assuming not all victims scream or make any loud noises or think to do anything to escape. I've thankfully never been in a real situation to know how I would react. The closest I've come is walking up on a snake, and realizing I was in striking distance and I froze. I couldn't physically move, and I couldn't speak. It was terrifying.
     
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