GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #12

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  1. dancinunderthemoon

    dancinunderthemoon Well-Known Member

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    I think if we could narrow down the time the perp/s arrived, that might help, very very early or if dark, I dont think they would answer unless they knew them.......since their stomachs were empty and assuming they had an early supper on Fri, we'll say 5 pm, I dont know their habits completely in this regard but most their age eat about this time .......8 hours to digest food and before breakfast the next morning sounds about right........8 hours from 6 pm after partaking would be 2 am, before coffee and toast or whatever at 7 am.......I wouldnt open the door to someone I didnt know at this hour or before sunrise.......

    their sons said they were religious about the alarm so that tells me they were religiously cautious...............just some thoughts.........
     
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    dancinunderthemoon Well-Known Member

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    Mark died on his birthday buying drugs in Atlanta

    SS suggested his parents probably gave him money for his bday that he spent on the drugs.........or intended to but was killed

    Mark Dermond lived with his parents in Sandy Springs sometimes, I found his address online to be the same as his parents

    Im not sure we know much more other than the Dermonds' didn't even go to the murder trial

     
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    After reading your thoughts, dancin, something occurred to me. I think the perps probably arrived by boat under the cover of darkness, and waited until dawn to either knock on the door, or enter through an unlocked door. Generally speaking, I don’t think people have their guards up in the early daylight hours. We just don’t worry about the bogeyman at the beginning of a new day. There was a recent break in of an upscale home in my area, at 7:30 in the morning. A mother and daughter were going about their routines, and preparing to leave for the day. Fortunately, they weren’t hurt, and the perps were caught.

    IMHO
     
  4. hockeyguy33

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    These are expensive homes and I would think most would be wary of alarms or video cameras but the alarm which they were apparently religious about setting wasn't set.
    So how did they get in? Some say an unlocked door but I think that would be a reach since they always set their alarm tells me they made sure all doors were locked too. So who would they open a door for? Someone wearing a work uniform, Law Enforcement, neighbor, clergy ( yup I said it again). my thought is that the killers knew the alarm was off and they knew there weren't any video cameras. If they knew or thought there was a camera they would have checked

    I don't believe this was extortion gone bad because it would be rare that a person tries to extort someone and when the person refuses they kill, also the coincidences of the alarm being off, the guard shack camera not working, lack of any cameras in a million dollar house, and an unlocked door which someone just happened to guess correctly that on this night a certain door would be unlocked

    Things i'd like to know

    1 who was the last known person to be in the house
    2 who was the man on the lawn
    3 who were the last few people to speak to the Dermonds on the phone
     
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  5. dancinunderthemoon

    dancinunderthemoon Well-Known Member

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    I beleive they came at dark by boat too Wilde.........no one saw a thing.......by car, they'd have to pass by so many people, homes and cars and run the risk of a car being spotted in the driveway......run the risk, not that people frequented but someone may have seen it, neighbors lawn guys, mailman, a friend from the derby party, whatever..................by boat, so dark, my experience of 20 years on sinclair, you dont pay attention to fisherman in boats with trolling motors, you dont alway see them or hear them in the daylight, much less by nightfall and middle of the night

    I get ya about the boogey man early on, but I do, I never open my door NOW until I check outside before opening my door, they felt hidden from harm on the cove and cul de sac maybe

    SO maybe they didnt think anything would occur, not expecting it anyway, especially in the screened porch, like the gate at the entrance, it's a false sense of security..........

    but someone went to the greatest links to avoid detection........I dont think a psycho killer or a robber would be so concerned, nor a mob hit, they'd not dragged her off or beheaded him

    Thanks Wilde, good points

     
  6. dancinunderthemoon

    dancinunderthemoon Well-Known Member

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    oh oh.........you're right Hockey, bolded below.........since they went to great lengths to not be discovered, that would have been a major mistake if they'd been videoed
     
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    I’ve spent some time over the last few weeks thinking some on this case and I’m starting to wonder whether the Dermonds were victims of mistaken identity. The reason I wonder that is that nothing makes sense. Nothing seems to connect. Just random pieces that don’t mesh.
    Nothing that happened beforehand that might have triggered this. No financial entanglements. Mr D is brutally decapitated, Mrs D is brutally beaten. No sense as to why he remained in the garage and she was spirited off in a boat and put in the lake. Nothing the police have fits anything about the Dermonds.
    What if these killers went to the wrong house? The pieces don’t fit for the Dermonds but maybe they would have fit perfectly if the correct target had been attacked? I could see someone arriving by boat in the middle of the night might get confused and end up in the wrong cove. I think maybe LE needs to check out some of the Dermonds neighbors and others in that community with the idea that someone else may have been the intended victim.
     
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    There was another Russell derminds, Olympic something or other, might have been dead before RD,

    On the other hand, I always thought rd looked like SS a tad, lol..... Crossed my mind too, I can see the group of York going for him but surely they aren't that dumb to not be able find SS, IDK


    We can make heads or tails of the why it was as it was Discovered but whether cirrect or not, we may never know

    And now I'm singing that song starry!! Lol, stuck in my head
     
  9. hockeyguy33

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    Keep in mind SS said he has 2 people he suspects of being involved someway in the killings. This leads me to believe he knows the who and the why of this case but isn't saying for some reason. For SS to believe these 2 suspects are someway involved tells me they were part of the puzzle and for SS to believe that he must have good reason. Both of them also know they are suspects and also have refused to be polygraphed and refused questioning. I keep going back to when KD said his mother wanted her ashes spread over lake Oconee and think he gave her her wish in a way.
     
  10. jggordo

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    I believe that SS knows exactly who was involved. Knowing that and proving it beyond a reasonable doubt is two different things. If the suspects were very close to the Dermonds, it would be very plausible that their DNA would be naturally all over the house. IIRC correctly the food franchises were sold to family members. I am sure that there must be or have been notes payable to the Dermonds for carrying the notes.

    JMO
     
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    Good thoughts, Starry. It has happened many times before, remember the horrific Sharon Tate murders by the Manson gang? The Mansons went to Terry Melcher’s (Doris Day’s son) house to settle a score. Unbeknownst to them was the fact Melcher no longer lived there, but had rented it out to Sharon Tate. It didn’t seem to matter to Manson, as they proceeded to slaughter everyone there. So, yes, this should be carefully considered.

    IMHO
     
  12. wildebeest

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    Interesting! Do you have a link for that? If true, that would be a motive...
     
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    The original article was published by the Eatonton Messenger. This article refers to it:

    "The sons had sold 20 Wendy`s restaurants back in 2009; I wonder if this huge sale was completely spotless (that word crops up once again)? Moreover, what bearing does this sale have on the bad things that ultimately happened to their parents? How did the parents` proceedings go? That is, how and when did they sell their money-making franchise chain? Better yet, we`ll need to know, did someone get burned along the Yellow Brick Road that leads to Living the American Dream?"

    thesop.org/story/20140509/who-would-do-harm-to-successful-retirees-russell-and-shirley-dermond.html
     
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  14. hockeyguy33

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    the last podcast by levi he talks about what I mentioned
     
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    Thank you! This does seem like an interesting path to follow. I’ve always thought the motive revolved around $$$.
     
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    I’ll drop a nugget. The Dermond’s didn’t allow house guests outside of family. I’ve not heard of anyone that ever visited that house, no friends, no clergy, just family.

    One occasion two neighbors knocked on the front door and heard multiple people in the house. Shirley came to the door but didn’t invite the neighbors inside. Russ drove up and the neighbors left. This event was late April of 2014.
     
  17. hockeyguy33

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    Another thought. I've known of a few parents who sold or gave the family business to their kids but they stayed on as consultants and were paid X amount each year. Wonder if the Dermonds had this type of deal
     
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    It seems only the 2 sons were involved in the fast-food franchises, and not the one daughter, so it would be important to know exactly how that/those franchise deals worked, and perhaps for SS to have delved deep into the D's finances for much longer than 8 years.

    To end up with only the family home and a million and a half dollars in your estate, after having owned some 19 (was it 19?) popular franchises, with no seemingly extravagant vacations, vehicles, hobbies, vices, or other properties, seems like something (like a great big chunk) is missing, to me at least. Would it have taken all of the proceeds of selling 19 franchises to initially purchase their family home and retire? Would the sons at that time have been able to purchase 19 of them outright? If not sold to the sons at full value, then how was the daughter compensated to equalize that 'gift' amongst all their children - should she have perhaps received that 'equalization' after their deaths - but yet it was said the proceeds of the estate were split equally amongst the 3 kids when they died, and another time SS stated the one grandchild had received a small amount too. Franchises were expensive to buy even back when the RD sold his 19 locations!

    In the 1990s, they moved to Georgia, where Mr. Dermond acquired 19 Atlanta-area Hardee's franchises. Their two sons, Keith and Bradley, worked with their dad.
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    The Dermonds were now officially retired. Their sons took over the the restaurants.
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    Their parents' wills divided their estate equally between the three.

    The Murders of Elderly Georgia Couple Russell and Shirley Dermond: A Beheading and No Leads
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    Though Sheriff Howard Sills says they had retired, they earned a living in the fast food business. Records show the Dermonds owned Wendy's and Hardees franchises as recently as the late 1990's.

    Two of their sons, Bradley and Keith, followed in their parents footsteps. They own Florida-based Ramsey Development, which operates fast-food restaurants. According to the Florida Secretary of State's Office, the firm employs 700 people and generates more than $14 million in revenue a year.

    Previously, the brothers owned and managed Dermond Food Services, a family business that legal documents show dissolved voluntarily in 2001 with all fees paid and no signs of outstanding debt.

    Bradley Dermond is also a real-estate agent at Sotheby's International Realty, according to his profile on sothebysrealty.com.

    Another son, Mark, was fatally shot at age 47 in August 2000 as he was buying drugs near the Atlanta University Center. The man convicted of the murder, Troy Major, is serving a life sentence at the maximum-security Georgia State Prison in Tattnall County, according to the Department of Corrections database.

    As for Russell and Shirley Dermond, a search of online tax records doesn't show any other property holdings.


    Dermond family established in restaurant business
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    A couple of previous posts to same effect:

    GA - GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #11

    GA - GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #11
     
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  19. dancinunderthemoon

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    Well statement analysis goes a long way, like I've been saying for at least a year now, just read KD statements and watch BD interview and, I'm sure it's money,it don't have to be billions to get someone killed

    I have no clue how but I hope SS is having someone look deep into the forensics of the accounts from the past and family


    A lot of the podcast brought up all of our points
     
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    dancinunderthemoon Well-Known Member

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    DG, OH MY GOSH, NOT THE DAUGHTER ? THE DIVORCE RIGHT AT THE TIME OF THE D'S DEATHS. . BOTH ARE DOCTORS, CREEPY THOUGHTS IN MY HEAD
     
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