GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #1

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  1. belimom

    belimom Our lives begin to end the day we become silent ab

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    Georgia toddler's death -- first blamed on heat -- is ongoing probe, police say

    (CNN)
    -- It was a tragedy from the outset: a toddler found dead apparently after being left alone for hours in a hot car, a distraught father blaming himself and facing serious criminal charges.

    Now, Cobb County, Georgia, police imply there is more -- much more -- to the story.

    "Much has changed about the circumstances leading up to the death of this 22-month-old since it was first reported," Cobb County Police Sgt. Dana Pierce told CNN. He would not elaborate, citing an ongoing investigation, but his words made it clear this was not just another case of a young life left and lost to heat exposure in a hot car.

    "I've been in law enforcement for 34 years. What I know about this case shocks my conscience as a police officer, a father and a grandfather," said Pierce.

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    More at http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/21/us/toddler-car-death-probe/?sr=google_news
     
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  3. belimom

    belimom Our lives begin to end the day we become silent ab

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    bbm

    I'm trying to read between the lines here, but it sounds like leaving this child in a hot car may have been intentional and a cover-up for something else... :no:
     
  4. eileenhawkeye

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    I think it is possible the murder was premeditated, and the father left the child in the hot car intentionally.
     
  5. craftybatchy

    craftybatchy Verified Odd Duck

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    Or the child was already deceased when he was placed in the car.

    One of those articles states that police no longer could confirm the child was in the car at 9:00 am as initially claimed.

    I'd really like to know why he was immediately taken into custody and held without bail. If the autopsy has already been completed, were there indications of prior abuse ?
     
  6. belimom

    belimom Our lives begin to end the day we become silent ab

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    I agree.

    I've tried finding different articles, and what I gather is that his statements to police didn't really make sense and some were contradictory at the time that police responded to the 911 call. After that, they searched his office and computers --- and I think they must've found something...? Seems like that's when the murder charges and other statements came in.

    I think LE is holding the autopsy results close to the vest, but there must've been physical evidence of some sort of abuse - something visible that made them dig further.

    So sad.

    ETA - I also wonder if there was no evidence in the carseat that the child actually died in the car. No fluids, etc.
     
  7. JLSChook

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    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/21/us/toddler-car-death-probe/?sr=google_news

     
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    http://www.ajc.com/news/news/authorities-searched-dead-toddlers-fathers-office-/ngP33/

    Posted: 6:45 p.m. Friday, June 20, 2014
    Authorities searched dead toddler’s father’s office before arrest

    Much more at link regarding petitions and other info
     
  9. belimom

    belimom Our lives begin to end the day we become silent ab

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    I think the folks signing the petitions aren't understanding that there must be something else going on.
     
  10. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Professional Pediatric Nurse

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    They aren't understanding he forgot to drop the child off at daycare in the morning and forgot to pick him up in the afternoon as well. Then got in his car and drove approximately 2 miles when he finally remembered the child was in the backseat strapped in his car seat.
    Witnesses say when he layed the boy on the ground his body looked like he was still sitting in the seat.

    It sure sounds like the ME saw something pretty quickly that disproved some or all of the father's story.

    This child was probably dead when placed into the SUV that morning.
    Moo

    “He was lifeless, he was in the same position as if he were sitting in the carseat,” Hamilton said. “It’s something that I’ll remember for a long time.”

    http://m.ajc.com/news/news/breaking-news/child-believed-left-in-car-in-cobb-has-died/ngNdR/

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  11. belimom

    belimom Our lives begin to end the day we become silent ab

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    I looked at the video, and the news reporter says that 'a lot has changed' since the initial report of being left in the car. He seems to be following this story closely and speaking with officers.

    One question that he asked the officer was if there was a stop after leaving work and then pulling into the parking lot/calling 911. The officer said that they cannot say if there was a stop along the way or if it was a direct trip.
     
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    Very telling. One thing to forget to drop your child off, but if you really did forget, then when you left work, you'd head in that direction - to pick him up. I'm not sure which direction he headed after work, but it does seem that LE may think there was a stop along the way? Or, at least they're not saying. Maybe they don't know yet, maybe they do but aren't telling.

    Unfortunately, it's not uncommon for a child to be left in a hot car and die. For LE to charge the father with murder and deny him bond? I think they definitely have more evidence already than they're letting on.
     
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    gngr~snap Verified Professional Pediatric Nurse

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    "his words made it clear this was not just another case of a young life left and lost to heat exposure in a hot car.

    "I've been in law enforcement for 34 years. What I know about this case shocks my conscience as a police officer, a father and a grandfather," said Pierce.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/21/us/toddler-car-death-probe/

    Shocks his conscience as a police officer, a father and a grandfather.....

    Moo that sounds like abuse possibly over some period of time.

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  14. craftybatchy

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    When was the last time a third party saw the child alive ?

    One witness indicated that even after being removed from the car seat, the child remained 'in position'. The ME would be able to determine whether that was a result of rigor or heat stiffening.

    Where was the vehicle parked ? If it was in a visible location, did no one pass by and see the child unattended ?

    The little one was 22 months old. I have two of my own children and several nieces and nephews. Each of them were able to undo their own buckles by the time they were 2.
     
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    It says the father works at Home Depot, so I'm assuming a fairly visible parking lot. However, the car does seem to have tinted windows in the back.

    I'm not buying his story.
     
  16. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Professional Pediatric Nurse

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    danzn16 For the missing

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    I don't know why my first thought when hearing of this stour was how easy it would be to murder a child this way and call it am accident. Idk how LE can tell the difference. And my how horrible it is for parents that have accidentally done this and how unfair to them to accuse them of this. But again how easy it would be to do so.


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  18. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Professional Pediatric Nurse

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    I think they could. Hyperthermia would cause severe dehydration. A dead body would not sweat and might still be somewhat hydrated.
    Also if there was a pattern of livor mortis that was inconsistent with the child being seated in his car seat, it would indicate the child was deceased prior to being placed in the car.
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  19. belimom

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    I think that's totally possible to do it intentionally, but there's no guarantee that the child would die before a passerby saw him and called 911.

    Most people know that sometimes parents are charged with the death of the child when left in a hot car, so I think this father knew that the alternative would be a more severe charge for whatever he was trying to cover up - and was trying to escape that charge. JMO
     
  20. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    This makes my stomach churn.
     
  21. Chewy

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    I have been saying for years that kids left to bake in hot cars or accidental drownings in pools should be treated as negligence and the parents should be convicted of manslaughter. Otherwise parents who want to get rid of unwanted children and babies can blatantly commit murder and get treated with sympathy.

    Based on this quote

    "I've been in law enforcement for 34 years. What I know about this case shocks my conscience as a police officer, a father and a grandfather," said Pierce.

    it's pretty obvious that the father deliberately left the child to bake to death in the car.
     
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