GBC Trial General Discussion Thread #3

Discussion in 'Allison Baden-Clay of Australia' started by marlywings, Jun 3, 2014.

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  1. Tangled_Web

    Tangled_Web Active Member

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    I have been wondering about Allison's phone - how and why did it go missing? Would GBC have needed it go missing because there was something incriminating on it? Did its absence enable him to keep sending those texts? Did it get dropped in some kind of struggle? Not everyone takes their phone every time they go walking. Surely it wouldn't have raised suspicion if it was simply at home that morning in a place where Allison often left it. Or maybe I'm just completely missing something.

    Then there's the matter of GBC's own phone. If he is putting forward the suicide theory, is he seriously suggesting Allison dutifully put his phone on the charger for him at 1:48 am and then somehow after that time set off on a path that led her body to be found far from home at Kholo Creek?
     


  2. Show ground maintenance guy :Bennymonkey: like Oscar's maintenance guy Frankie :Bennymonkey: ?!
     
  3. Amee

    Amee Active Member

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    I dont remember anything about their cars being tested either.

    This search happened after the bomb threat at court that day I think ?
    It was on the news but I cant find the video of it :banghead:
     
  4. marlywings

    marlywings Former Member

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    Yes waffles on & throws out the tears...for himself.

    From today's report....

    Then there were the tears, near tears, choked words and red-faced emotion that punctuated his evidence.

    He spoke for one hour and 17 minutes before the court adjourned until 10am on Monday, when he will return to the stand. There may be days more to come

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226968217967
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    However, on the day he reported Allison missing there were no tears, zero emotion....nothing!!

    June 16, 2014

    She said she and her husband rushed to her daughter's home on Brookfield Road that morning to find her son-in-law "just as calm as a cucumber".

    "I couldn't believe it, he had a pinked striped shirt on an a tie," Mrs Dickie said.

    "Just as calm as a cucumber. [He] just came over and said, 'g'day dad ... g'day mum', and I looked at him and I said what's happened and he said 'Allison's missing, she went for a walk and hasn't come back'.

    "Couldn't believe it ...

    "Then he said, 'would you like a cup of tea?'"

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-4-week-2-20140616-3a6an.html#ixzz35v1y8q9V
     
  5. Snails

    Snails New Member

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    Mmmmmmm
     
  6. marlywings

    marlywings Former Member

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    Yes it was the evening of the aborted bail hearing.
     
  7. kiwijayne

    kiwijayne Well-Known Member

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    I'm on holiday now for 2 weeks. So I'm hoping next week to get to the trial for a day, go take some pics and look for crepe myrtle at Kholo and talk to the maintenance guy(who if it is the same one is nicknamed leather man)
     
  8. Neuromancer

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    I think the phone needed to be missing because he was worried that it would report her location.

    eg - his story required the phone to be home at Brookfield until she "went for a walk" then be found in her possession, assuming she carried it. There was no way for him to really mimic that while keep up his part of the story (sleeping til 6.15, etc), so he took the phone out of the picture entirely.
     
  9. Bobbie Elliott

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    For anyone who is interested in the novels mentioned above, their author is Scott Turow and the titles are:

    . Presumed Innocent (1987)
    . The Burden of Proof (1990)
    . Innocent (2010)

    BTW I don't get commission on these!
     
  10. Had things become too difficult the couple could always have turned to Mr Baden-Clay senior who worked alongside the pair in the real estate business and who as a marriage enhancement facilitator, had been intimately involved with helping couples through his directorship of the Anglican Marriage Encounter Australia Ltd - a now defunct program which organised couples to spend a weekend where they learned to communicate again and strengthen their marriages through talking to counsellors.

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nat...ing-husband-20120512-1yj5w.html#ixzz35v6QZDUO

    I'm sure, all the pairs which needed counselling, were happily married like his son GBC??
     
  11. Makara

    Makara Former Member

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    Yes, the bomb threat was initially thought to be targeted towards GBC's committal hearing but there was also a Bikie trial going on that day in the same building. The link you posted makes mention of it.

    NBC's car was at the Brookfield house on the Friday morning when the whole of the property was declared a crime scene, so he would not have been permitted to remove it until it was checked by police. Both the Captiva and the Prado belonging to Allison and GBC were towed away for further forensic testing but it's not clear if NBC's car was also towed away.

    From memory OW arrived at the Brookfield house in one car but when she returned from dropping the girls off to school, she was driving another car, or have I got that wrong? I'm sure something about this was mentioned in Constable Ash's statement. I'll have a look in a minute.
     
  12. Makara

    Makara Former Member

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    What??? :floorlaugh:
     
  13. Snails

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    I would really like to know if they were forensically examined by police. Maybe it was an oversight? Maybe you can't just impound any car for forensic testing? After visiting Kholo Creek today, whoever placed the body there must have had some plant material on or within their car, no matter how much hosing or vacuuming went on through the wee hours of the morning. Just a thought.
     
  14. But a slip while briefly small talking (intentionally or unintentionally, like women are ;)) could have happened. GBC had reason to fear a moment like this!
     
  15. Bobbie Elliott

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    Thank you Neuromancer, but I'm still finding this confusing.
    When was it he had such a good job and what was it?
    What job did Allison have at the time?
    Was this the time when he was making much more than Allison?

    Thank you in advance for clarification. I think I need a whiteboard.
     
  16. Neuromancer

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    Yes I could see why GBC would fear that - he's been telling conflicting stories to the two of them.

    I still don't understand TM's hissy fit about it tho. Why would she be freaking out about Allison being there? The last time they ran into each other (at the gym i assume) they both politely ignored each other (then sent nasty texts to GBC, lol)
    And her concern seems to be that GBC needs to tell Allison that TM will be there. - Why?

    The easy reason would be that TM is just being overly dramatic, but that's the sort of excuse GBC would use. Is there something here we're missing?
     
  17. LadyBird1

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    For what it's worth, I think the phone was at 61 Boscombe Road at about 1.10pm 20 April, while Kellie Thompson was speaking with Sgt Curtis. IMO
    Why? His reactions were very strange. Instead of saying "Oh thank God! Thankyou. Let's go right there right now."
    Instead he may as well have said "Oh s*!#!. I didn't expect a female cop to find it using app...... Bugger! Think quick, get someone to get it, and create a distraction.
    Use an innocent distraction. This is a really big stuff up. Bugger. "

    Where the phone ended up after that time, is anybody's guess.
    What I am saying is this; Unless 61 Boscombe Road place was kept under 100% surveillance from 1.10pm 20 April, onwards, then I will stand corrected.
    Did anybody suspect at that time exactly what manner of people they were dealing with?
    I mean the DEGREE of sleuthfullness, cunning, manipulation, deflections, outright lies, financial problems, immoral matters etc.
     
  18. Neuromancer

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    Lol - can you imagine the whiteboard on this in police HQ?

    Those are just the tweets as posted in reverse chronological order on Kate's twitter. I just left them as they were. There may be some more detail in some of the news report on his ramble.

    And I forget now which job he suddenly had that paid well (maybe the fresh start in real estate? not sure on timeline). But I thought reading between the lines, they paint a disturbing "narcissists guide to destroying a successful woman"

    -lose job
    -resent wife who's doing fine at same company
    -sue aforementioned company, making it impossible for wife to keep working there
    -convince wife that your income is enough and she should start breeding
    -keep wife barefoot and pregnant and keep undermining her self-esteem all you can, while telling everyone else she's crazy
    -Win!
     
  19. kiwijayne

    kiwijayne Well-Known Member

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    I bet you that phone is at the bottom of a waterway somewhere. About a minute from the house is a pond on a neighbouring property, there is a creek along further(and that area was searched as it ran beside houses on Deerhurst Rd), well obviously Kholo Creek, the creek down by the showgrounds and heck OW could have dumped the phone down Savages Rd in the creek there.
     
  20. Bobbie Elliott

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    Although the policewomen asked really age-appropriate questions, I think that these inconsistent responses are also about children's memories and children's comprehension of questions. IMO, these would have been further confounded if, on top of their kid memories, daddy had tried to impose a whole new set of memories.
     
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