GBC Trial General Discussion Thread #4

Discussion in 'Allison Baden-Clay of Australia' started by marlywings, Jun 3, 2014.

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  1. Makara

    Makara Former Member

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    No I'm not suggesting Kellie Thomson lied in her witness statement at all. She didn't lie. She observed GBC's reaction as she is trained to do. Do you have any understanding of the cost involved in launching a police helicopter? The cost of fuel and man hours? I can assure you it is huge. And what, so the police do this simply to find a phone? I don't think so. As I said they were searching for Allison, irrespective of the phone. Read Kellie Thomson's statement if you haven't done so. It's all there.

    If you go back and read the forum from the beginning you will see that the police began their search for Allison starting from the Brookfield house and expanding out to a 2km radius, which encompassed 61 Boscombe Road at the rear of the Brookfield house.
     


  2. FigTree

    FigTree Well-Known Member

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    allioop - I think Fuller is onto something related to the timing, and your post made me think of something in regard to the early morning scenario - it relates to a witness account of of 2 cars ...


    then this....



    On Day 12 of the trial, these comments above by GBC regarding what he does to avoid detection, how he does it, and his motivation raised my suspicion.
    He is not above using others vehicles to avoid detection - purposefully and with intention.
    He can also manipulate others (in the example case, Toni) to follow his instruction knowing that the purpose is to not get caught. and that it can be easily camouflaged and made hard to prove if questioned.
    His fear of being seen leads him to behave deceptively and manipulate others to cover his tracks.

    in regard to the screams..
    It may not have been Allison but,
    Another possibility is that at a meetup. the scream came from another person who has just seen a dead/limp body in the back of a car.


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  3. FigTree

    FigTree Well-Known Member

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    What doesn't fit for me in regard to the walk and the phone, are the pants Allison was wearing when found.

    No pockets - So she was going to carry that phone the entire walk?
    I don't think so. (JMO:))
     
  4. marlywings

    marlywings Former Member

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    I'm thinking if those sightings had any relevance to the case the witness would have been called up?? They may have been ruled out as being unconnected as that's all we've heard about them.
     
  5. toe

    toe New Member

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    Oh good grief a touch of convenient Alzheimers NBC. :fence:
     
  6. MRSA

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    If you accept that Thomson's witness statement was true, then you must accept the veracity of her statements that she "observed a blue dot on the phone where it indicated Allison's mobile phone was" and that "we attended 61 Boscombe Road Brookfield, where a search was conducted ... Inspector Dal'Osto would ensure each person was quiet and all torch lights were off and would call Allison Baden-Clay's mobile to assist the helicopter attempting to locate her phone".
     
  7. marlywings

    marlywings Former Member

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    Yep in those early days I think there were quite a few helicopters involved in the search. TV station helicopters were also doing their part.

    There was a police helicopter with infrared available so that was used to try locate the phone as well as searching for Allison.

    Text copied from Constable Kellie Thomson's statement....

    34. Later that evening, I printed a map of the location of where I saw the Blue do from the application of find my friends on the defendant's phone and we attended 61 Boscombe Road Brookfield, where a search was conducted. During this search I recall having the assistance of a helicopter that was equipped with a heat light. Whilst doing the search we all separated around the property and Inspector Dal'Osto would ensure each person was quiet and all torch lights were off and would call Allison BADEN_CLAY'S mobile to assist the helicopter attempting to locate her phone.

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  8. FigTree

    FigTree Well-Known Member

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    True marlywings :)
    For me the idea of GBC's purposeful 'convoy's with Toni, and driving to secluded spots, travelling in other peoples cars didn't come out until Day 12. There may have been no relevant connection at the time the witness spoke to Police.

    I think even if the witness statement about the two 4 wheel drive cars is unfounded and not connected, it raises my awareness of the type of calculations GBC went to to disguise his deceptive behavior - especially about the cars and transporting from one place to another.

    It also makes me think of the reason he used for driving Allison's Captiva on the morning of her disappearance.
    If it was to remove the body from the house
    If it was to cover the warm engine
    If it was to look for Allison after his father arrived to look after the children?

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    JMO :)
     
  9. Flabbergasted

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    I agree with all that you say. When a a master manipulator and liar has the control arrested from him as happened when Todd Fuller launched a barrage of humiliating questions at him in public, GBC wanted to show everyone he had the power not Todd. He was willing to sacrifice the whole persona of remorseful husband tricked into affairs by announcing casually the number of women I went to for sex. using terms that imply the most meaningless and exploiting use of women for sex. He was, without knowing it, taking all power back even if it harmed him to shout I have the power again Todd! and you see I will control what information is and isnt discussed here. This mean ego maniac was feeling humiliated and cornered and he spat back.

    And finally, what I dont know is why he just didnt stop Allison from going to the conference, A master liar knows how to do it. Oh Al, I just got a message that your registration payment didn't go through, bad luck but you can go next year. Or he could fake illness, or cut himself dangerously with a razor and let himself near bleed to death to keep her home or pretend one of the kids was really distressed about flashbacks she had been having of sitting on a couch with her mother all day for the first year of her life. Gerard was mean mean mean and he knew how to work Allisons kindness as well as the things she beat herself up for. He could have stopped her going. No guys something else happened that night, something so left of field no amount of guessing will explain. He sure as hell killed Allison and he sure as hell has found a way to reconcile in his mind that it was the right thing to do

    This is what happens when lurkers who have been here since day one start posting. I will likely throw the whole new software platform out internationally upsetting people everywhere but mostly people in australia and south africa
     
  10. marlywings

    marlywings Former Member

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    Making a note here to all...

    WS is a discussion forum in which we welcome all members old & new alike.

    Whether you have been here 10years or 10mins, we don't allow members to tell others what to do or how to post.

    If you don't wish to view posts made by another member please utilize your ignore feature.
     
  11. FigTree

    FigTree Well-Known Member

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    I smirked when I saw he had admitted to the other women.
    I thought that possibly
    Someone else (or more than one person) has come forward to say that they had been one of those 'other women'.
    ... if he denied having sex with the 'other women', he could be proven wrong.
    ... He admitted it amongst other questioning so as to avoid further questioning if possible.
    ... he was the one in control of that information.
    ... It made him look 'honest' :facepalm:
    ... he was hiding something by bringing about the very thing he feared being questioned further about.
    ... GBC did not know how much information the Prosecution had on 'the additional other women and sex'

    and what ever other reason why he might have mentioned it - which could be anything.
    But I think he did it to further his advantage or to deflect.
    Either way I don't think he thought about how that is going to sound in the summing up at the end of the case by Fuller.

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  12. BreakingNews

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    Catching up on the day. It was always my understanding that Allison's car was reversed in that night; however in court last Wednesday GBC said Allison never reversed it in as she said it was easier for her and the girls to get in/out when the vehicle was parked nose in. GBC said it was only he who reversed in.
     
  13. toe

    toe New Member

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    This is exactly what I see has happened.
     
  14. BJsleuth

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    I didn't know whether the jacket had pockets. Can only guess. I agree if I don't have a pocket, I leave the phone at home.
     
  15. Liadan

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    I would be expecting that Allison had fiscal control of her little empire at the office and probably made these reservations herself. I don't think GBC would have been pro-active in helping Allison make a working concern of his business. He would merely claim the accolade for finally getting things running when so many had failed before him. And Allison would have been so happy with that! ONLY MY OPINION!
     
  16. BJsleuth

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    Allison's phone accessed the Fig tree pocket tower, connected to the internet at 6:32am and stayed connected for 13 hours. It was simply to give GBC an alibi of sorts. He was at home right?
     
  17. toe

    toe New Member

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    Unless of course you had a friend who was a Doctor to quizz about such things.:jail:
     
  18. AAAA

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    Perhaps TM had forwarded the emails to Allison, she showed It to GBC, they fought, he killed her, then had to get rid of the phone knowing what was on it...
     
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    Yep! I always wanted to be Penelope Pittstop! And Geanie! And Samantha Stevens!
     
  20. LadyBird1

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    I wonder if Allison's phone was in G's pocket the whole time? I wonder if the blue dot showing so close at 61 Boscombe Road was actually a few metres off accuracy, as Liadon has suggested: in his pocket. Oh...... ?
    PS Though I do not understand all this phone tech stuff, I do know that the Satellite tracking device on the farm tractor may be off by considerable metres, say 10 to 20metres. Useful, but not 100% accurate.
     
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