GBC Trial General Discussion Thread #4

Discussion in 'Allison Baden-Clay of Australia' started by marlywings, Jun 3, 2014.

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  1. JK673

    JK673 New Member

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    Again....like I have stated numerous times before QPS are well known to be very competent criminal investigators.....no pjs means they have been disposed of...which is why the Prosecution asked GBC where they were
     


  2. Her Honour

    Her Honour New Member

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    Yeah, me too. It's great to have a forum in which to discuss this case; it's stranger than fiction, has all the human elements which make your heart just bleed with regret and is really enlightening as to the workings of our justice system. Yet, no-one but you peeps seems to want to discuss it in the minute detail required. Or they are asleep from my banging on about it...

    I know I keep coming back to GBC's credibility, but the defence case stands or falls on it. Two other members (so sorry I can't remember who now) said it better: one that the sole purpose of GBC's four (or was it 104?) days in the stand was, seemingly, to convince us of what a successful liar he'd been and the other that his evidence consisted of 'well, you see, that truth was a truth, the other a lie, that lie the truth and the other a lie'. Spot on and not so much what you'd hope to be hearing escape the lips of your star witness, I think.

    Can I also just say (again) that y'all are so eloquent and often laughoutloud funny? That might sound flippant, but humour has certainly helped me process the more unpalatable details of the case and it sounds like in her element, the victim was a lot of FUN and full of LIFE. I'm sure her absence is a gaping wound in the lives of her family and friends :(

    May ALL involved be given the strength they'll need to get through the coming days and thanks in advance to our unpaid Court Reporters xxx
     
  3. Snails

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    I will be on the lookout. Hope to be there by 10 am at the latest. I was going to catch a train to Roma Street but I might cab it now.
     
  4. JCB

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    I think the earliest you will see a verdict is late Tuesday at the earliest but more than likely Wednesday onwards. Closing arguments and directions to the jury are going to take significant time and as has been said, it's not a simple case of "raise your hands if..." and getting 12 hands straight away. Generally speaking an early return (say within in the first day) generally favours acquittal but the longer deliberations take the better chance you have of a conviction (or a hung jury for that matter). If the jury returns within the first day of deliberations I fear the worst unfortunately.
     
  5. Cattail

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    Thank you. I know you are not a verified legal person but I find your posts very easy to understand and informative at the same time.

    I have to agree with you in the subject of mental health and a lack of understanding. 3 years ago I may have been the same. Having my son fall victim to depression and tell me of suicidal feelings has led me to try and educate myself in this area as best I can.

    I have made sure to say I have ruled out suicide in this case based on the physical evidence of the location of the body. Nothing else to me definitively rules out suicide. I can tell you that my son will not tell medical people of the suicidal feelings that he has confessed to me.

    People who suicide are not bad people. Not weak people. Not uncaring people. Just people with problems. To say Allison was too strong for that and loved her girls too much - it is in some ways a disservice to the many souls we have lost to suicide.

    Having said all that my gut screams guilty to me in this case. I worry about the lack of physical evidence which you have pointed out.


    I hope above all else that justice is done here. And in my gut that means I hope for a guilty verdict.

    Thanks again for your educated opinion.


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  6. Cattail

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    I would like to thank all of you who are giving your time to attend court and report back. :)


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  7. Anemone

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    Hi bellgirl, thanks for the tip. When you speak of overflow rooms, is the larger room which apparently seats 250 (normally used for ceremonies?) also on level 6? TIA.
     
  8. Humdinger

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    We need to get this trending on twitter #supersmartstonecoldfox :) haha love it!
     
  9. Her Honour

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    Oh, never fear, he will. One of our best and brightest. Cuts right to the heart of the matter and has a super dry sense of humour when called for. Firm but fair.
     
  10. possumheart

    possumheart Well-Known Member

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    Indeed
     
  11. marlywings

    marlywings Former Member

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    Adding in the following for any members who may not have read our rules...

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  12. Mumma Bear

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    Yes, but my point is there was no reported* testimony from the police as to whether they had been looked for, found, or not found. I also checked the agreed facts - not in there.

    Just asking GBC isn't nearly enough for the prosecution make the point - and it seems it wouldn't have come up at all if GBC had decided not to testify!

    *Operative word there being 'reported' so if anyone who was actually there and recalls mention of pjs by investigators on the stand please post!
     
  13. Anemone

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    That is really good to hear, Her Honour. I'm very much looking forward to hearing his comments in court tomorrow, as up until now he has (understandably) been quiet although no doubt playing close attention to the proceedings.
     
  14. bellgirl

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    Hi Anemone, the trial is on Level 5 - don't know the room number. Our Overflow Rooms were 17 and 18 on Level 6. I think that the larger room is also on Level 6, but as soon as you get through the main entrance just ask. I found the admin staff to be lovely - very accommodating and understanding of public interest.
     
  15. JCB

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    <modsnip>

    But surely labeling one as a murderer even before the jury has retired is a prime example of what I am trying to say?

    As for misrepresenting our financial positions, I do not mean this in a deceptive, fraudulent or even conscious way. How many of you have told the fundraisers who corral you in shopping centres that you don't have any cash on you? How about beggars? What about people who apply for a mortgage in the misguided belief that they have the capacity to meet their repayments should interest rates fluctuate? When you were younger, did you ever tell your mates that you couldn't go out because you were broke simply because you didn't want to go out? These are but a few examples, I could pull out a hundred more and I would be gobsmacked, absolutely astounded, if every adult in this country had not at one point or another lied (or were totally ignorant) about their finances.
     
  16. Trooper

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    I would be very surprised if the jury went into consultation before Wednesday... I cant imagine that Mr Fuller, or Mr Boyle would take less than a whole day, possibly more to go thru Gerards entire body of the crime.. Gerard himself started his testimony with his childhood, so its reasonable to suppose that the Prosecution wont start too far from that point as well. I cant even guess how long Mr Byrne will take in his closing statement for the defence.. 10 mins , being cynical, but probably a morning, at least..
     
  17. Happygolucky

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    Thanks for this summary. I believe you have clearly detailed some of my misgivings regards the evidence presented by the prosecution.

    Do you or any Websleuths you any knowledge, opinion regards the onboard computers built into Captivas? Do they give detailed information regards mileage and time of journeys? They were mentioned in a previous post but info on the internet was scare.
     
  18. Cattail

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    Yes Mumma Bear I agree. This struck me as something that the prosecutor thought of on the spot - not something that had been investigated before.

    Was there ever a house search for these pyjamas?


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  19. Cattail

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    Too long and they may lose members of the jury. Concise and to the point will serve either side best in my opinion :)


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  20. Trooper

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    BBM.... the only people who are obliged to believe Gerards tale NOW THAT HIS TRIAL HAS BEGUN is his defence team.. they are contracted to present his story.. in fact, they don't have to believe it to present it. One is entitled to a reasonable serve of belief, and this is why a trial is being held at our expense.. we decide to give Gerard a good chance of explaining himself. Once his trial begins, Gerard occupies no mans land. It is not rational practice to suspend belief for an extended amount of time. Not being on the jury, I am not obliged to maintain a fixed and stubborn belief in the face of evidence presented..

    as for the rest of your claims there. (a)no .. and (b) no.. and (c)no.. and (d) no. That you would be astounded in no way makes it untrue.. it only makes it astounding to you.
     
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