General Discussion and Theories #4

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    Toris body WAS found. So this case although tragic is not minus a body. There was also evidence by way of witnesses at the outset and video from the school.

    The above case took SIX years to get a charge laid. That charge was 2nd degree murder. There was evidence that the two men had been physically fighting and other factors.

    The above Lush cash has evidence from the outset that the victim was with certain people and seen being attacked. This case is very different from the case that this thread is about.

    In the last two cases, there was actual evidence of who someone was with and that physical altercations ensued.
     
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    LE very often take more than is needed. My guess is that they are trying to find any evidence that she was present at a murder. That could mean taking all of her clothing. IMO. Young middle class girls often have quite a bit of clothing IMO.

    She would need a trial first to determine whether or not she is guilty of anything at all IMO.

    The word allege is not to cover peoples hineys. It is a valid and descriptive word that indicates that someone has been charged but not found guilty. Many people are charged and many are found innocent/not guilty. There is nothing magic about maintaining someones innocence, especially when they may well be, it is more like the honourable,decent thing to do. JMO
     
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    LE consult with crown to see if they can utilize any evidence, actual, circumstantial, speculative etc to win a case. It takes time to piece together a disclosure that they need to look good enough for a jury. It will be the holes in that disclosure that will show any deficiencies in their case and lack of crucial evidence. So trying to fill those holes takes time IMO.
     
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    It seems that Cody Legebokoff was involved with people who he assisted with murders and he actually admitted it all during trial. That may be why he was found guilty at trial. MOO
     
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    Denial is a healthy and very necessary part of the grieving process. Grief can apply not only to death but to loss of any kind. This link explains quite well. HTH


    http://grief.com/the-five-stages-of-grief/
     
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    It is rather premature in my opinion to be congratulating anyone on anything. The trial will be the proof of any exemplary investigating or it won't. IMO.

    Any contemptuous ridicule of DM is also premature IMO.
     
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    Yeah, she's a young girl with a professional degree that's about to embark on her career. And she's a girl child?

    Why would LE seek any evidence that she was present at a murder, when she is charged with accessory AFTER THE FACT?

    I highly doubt LE took her wardrobe away.

    I think they are more interested in her activity in the 11 months that she refused to cooperate with LE. Why didn't she cooperate? Surely LE was looking for electronic or written evidence that CN continued to help and may have been paid off or promised something by DM in exchange for her cooperation. If CN accepted (a promise) of cash for silence and LE found documentation of that, CN is in deep do-do and will not be starting her career any time soon...she'll be staring at bars.

    If CN demonstrated that she was committed to helping DM for those 11 months, there may be a very bad out come for CN.

    When DM was charged there were a lot of murmurs about the mistake the Crown historically made in letting KH off the hook with the "deal with the devil". I think the Crown is aware of negative public sentiment and that pushed them towards the DI and away from any deal-making.

    I am sure there will be prison time if CN was unrepentantly uncooperative because there was cash or marriage in it for her.
     
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    That in no way negates the fact that evidence resulted in him being convicted of Natasha's murder although her body was never found.

    Sure, Legebokoff claimed three other people were also involved in the women's deaths, though he refused to name them. Even if true :rolleyes:, sure doesn't make him any less a killer.

    Killers tell fantastical stories when attempting to evade a life sentence. There was absolutely no evidence that anyone else was present at any of the crimes he committed, other than he and his unfortunate victims. His story that he was present but he did not kill them? (Oh right ... he 'admitted' being there when legally blind, young Loren Donn Leslie, stabbed herself with a knife so he hit her in the head with a hammer. Nice Guy of the Year award goes to Mr. Cody Legebokoff !!).
     
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    Well I just want to say I played this game and I looked, and I could not find a case where LE thought there was a murder, charged someone, and the victim turned up alive...except in India, and I think they have some problems with their third world legal process over there. This sort of thing doesn't happen in the developed world.
     
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    You mean X, Y, and Z, his hilarious defence? I think you need to re-read that case, and concentrate on the fact that CL's lies were seen to be just that.

    If DM intends to blame his situation on X, Y and Z, or any other imaginary gangster, I think we know the outcome: life in prison.
     
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    Speaking of wardrobe ... I wonder if any of LB's personal belongings have ever been found.
     
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    I wonder how MB is doing with the 5 stages. She was sure as heck in denial, but now she's gotta be at least to the point of bargaining to retain DM's wealth with a series of "beyond smelly" real estate deals.

    CM died in 2006 so the M men didn't get their hands on all the M cash until then and MB was never a part of the big bucks. It must be stunning to be in control of millions (to be lost) all of a sudden. Like a lottery win that she hadn't been a part of for 10 years. On the bright side, if DM gets life (which is surely going to happen in the TB case), MB gets left with the pot of cash. She just has to fight to keep it all in the WM trial (where, if DM is found guilty, as he no doubt will be, he will lose any inheritance from WM).
     
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    Oh no, contemptuous ridicule of DM became relevant the day he was arrested. We're now 70% through the trial process. It's open season on DM now.
     
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    I bet yes, and this is why the Crown sought a DI. I suspect it would have been too political to grant the DI though seeing as there was a DI on the TB case and that caused a stink.
     
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    Tamarind in response to your response on my post in the Related Issues thread, post 1171 your comment saying TS's body was found. Guess you missed the ultimate word FIRST in the sentence: Just a couple more Canadian cases where murder charges were laid without bodies being found first. HTH.

    Charges of first degree murder were laid against MR and TLM in May 2009, Tori's body was not found until July 2009. The first degree murder charge stuck from day one of MR's arrest and the jurors found him guilty of first degree. HTH.
     
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    Regardless of whether charges were laid first or not, the body was found, and T L McC also confessed. I think these facts may have had something to do with the final outcome for MR. MOO. I don't want to get into the rest of the TS case as that is another case entirely with a whole different set of circumstances and evidence. IMO.
     
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    Apparently SL still hasn't got his laptop back , no word on that. So if it hasn't shown up yet maybe it is still with LB. I doubt the crown worries what causes a stink or what doesn't. Judging by the controversial cases and current murders like the one recently where police/RCMP gunned down an innocent man, they are used to 'stink' IMO.

    http://energeticcity.ca/article/new...ting-in-dawson-creek-not-connected-to-site-c#

    the actual scene.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBtqU0IKjJs

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#
     
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    Regardless, charges were laid without a body initially. TLM confession could have been full of lies. Until LE had TS's remains, there was nothing to prove she was deceased. Respectfully, was it not you who asked for cases where charges were laid without bodies? If so, you are getting answers/responses to your questions. If it wasn't you, we have the right to respond to others who may have inquired. It's obvious all cases have their own set of circumstances and evidence. MOO.
     
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    Or also unbeknownst to us, it's sitting in an evidence locker.
     
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