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I do not think the 2 cases are related, similar, not related. JMO.

I think we could find A LOT of cases that we could say have very similar circumstances.


Question, just because ICRS, Tara's keys/purse/phone...found or not? Same w/JK? Again, I don't think the cases are related, just curious about this detail. Please remind me? :D
 
I do not think the 2 cases are related, similar, not related. JMO.

I think we could find A LOT of cases that we could say have very similar circumstances.


Question, just because ICRS, Tara's keys/purse/phone...found or not? Same w/JK? Again, I don't think the cases are related, just curious about this detail. Please remind me? :D

Tara's keys and purse were and are still missing. Her cell phone was found in her home attached to its charger.

If I remember correctly, JK's cell phone keys and purse were missing with JK and to my knowledge have not been found.
 
Sorry to just chime in here, but I watched the special last night, and IIRC they had teams from both the Kesse case and the Grinstead case meet for a couple hours to discuss a possible link. At the end of the meeting, they said there was no luck, and that with the Kesse case it seems like more of a stranger abduction, and that with Grinstead, it looks like it could have been someone she knew.

jmo
 
Hi Believe - I watched from the beginning and they certainly never mentioned a clue that tied the two cases together. It is a tantilizing little piece of information though isn't it? I wish they would have made it a two hour special so they could spend an hour on each woman instead of just 30 minutes but either way it is great to see the huge publicity a show like 48hours gives to a case. My fiance had not heard of Tara or Jennifer......and I was like really? I thought everyone knew who Tara and/or Jennifer were.....he kindly reminded me that a lot of people do not frequent places like websleuths and watch Nancy Grace/Greta, etc.

Thank you Gaia!
 
I think it's a huge step in Tara's case in knowing that the male persons DNA is not in the database, nor is it matched to anyone tested so far. Elimination is just another way if figuring out whodunnit. Also they have a fingerprint that isn't in AFIS. That's important to know. This guy probably has never been arrested nor has he ever worked for the civil service in any capacity nor is he a doctor or nurse or CNA nor is he a serviceman or LE. All of those types of jobs and careers require fingerprint cards on file. Elimination is very important, IMO.
I think the biggest message LE wanted to get out by releasing that new info last night was to let anybody out there who might suspect somebody or might have some info but don't think it would be enough for LE to put the guy away , LE wanted them to know THEY HAVE HIS DNA and FINGERPRINTS!! They WILL put him away so it's ok to come forward. Nobody knew they had that solid evidence before last night. I think there is great hope that this case wil be solved now. I think Tara was beautiful and I've followed this case from a distance but I think now it will heat up. I'm praying it will at least.
 
I wonder if they took DNA samples from any of the men she worked with at the school? You never know these days where evil lurks.
I think there is a possibility that the person who did this is someone respected within the community, and they
think they will never be suspected or questioned. In small communities like this too many are related, and are not willing to speak up in fear of retaliation.
 
I wonder what was going on with that married police officer from another town nearby? Neighbors said they saw him leaving her home in the late hours sometimes. But since he's LE I know they must have eliminated him. But I mean, were they having an affair? Did wifey find out?
 
Oh yeah, I would THINK that LE would request DNA/fingerprints from everyone she worked with at the high school. I would also explore the possibility of jealousy/envy stemming from her pagaent affliations. I could see another female who isn't as successful or pretty or talented as Tara who was also in the Pageant circuit becoming obessesed with her and not in a good way.
 
I am also wondering if whoever took Tara could be a female. Maybe they need to start with the DNA of a certain persons GF.
I thought it odd that they said the glove came from the Senior Center(or did I get that wrong?). Could it be smeone older who visited in the area and became fixated on her?
 
I'm sure this means nothing but I noticed that the number on Tara's room at the school and the number on Jennifer's parking space were very similar. Both had 622 in them though Jennifer's parking space number had four digits.
 
I am also wondering if whoever took Tara could be a female. Maybe they need to start with the DNA of a certain persons GF.
I thought it odd that they said the glove came from the Senior Center(or did I get that wrong?). Could it be smeone older who visited in the area and became fixated on her?

Well anyone working with seniors would have to give fingerprints so I doubt it would be a worker there. However anybody could steal those gloves from there. They said it was the same senior citizen center they set her her headquarters at. Weird coincidence, I guess. I just wonder how they know that glove came from that place. You buy those by the box. Maybe CSI could match them to one of the boxes there. And was it a Senior Citizens Center or was it like a convelescent home for the elderly? i guess i need to do a lot of backtracking and read up on this case.
 
Well, I must admit I was a little surprised by this revelation and the emphasis they were giving to it. Although I haven't followed that case that closely, I thought maybe the glove was too obvious there; rather, that it might have been a plant. (If they aren't so sure a struggle happened in her home, and she may have left on her own accord with someone, or to meet someone someplace else, then why would there be a glove on the grass there?)

No matter, LE did great and they've got the DNA needed in the future, in hopes they'll get a match and haul someone in for further questioning. I hope they get the info they need. I'd love to see the showing of her case bring in the tip and info they need.
 
I'm sure this means nothing but I noticed that the number on Tara's room at the school and the number on Jennifer's parking space were very similar. Both had 622 in them though Jennifer's parking space number had four digits.

I would think at this stage everything means something until it doesn't, KWIM? That's a nice catch, I didn't notice it. It seems like Jennifers was like 6223 or 6222 something that close.
 
I am also wondering if whoever took Tara could be a female
. Maybe they need to start with the DNA of a certain persons GF.
I thought it odd that they said the glove came from the Senior Center(or did I get that wrong?). Could it be smeone older who visited in the area and became fixated on her?

Well what I find interesting about that too is that i think the person in the video walking past Jennifers gate looks like a female. She looks like she has her hair tucked up underneath her hat. They say "it's" between 5'3 and 5'5". The only thing that looks male on "it" is the feet as they are kinda big but it also looks like she is wearing shoes too big for her. It looks to me like they're too long up at the toe. But that is Jennifers case. So, ?????No wonder LE is going crazy over thses cases.
 
I am also wondering if whoever took Tara could be a female. Maybe they need to start with the DNA of a certain persons GF.
I thought it odd that they said the glove came from the Senior Center(or did I get that wrong?). Could it be smeone older who visited in the area and became fixated on her?

I pulled up all the references to glove from the show. I think you misunderstood something that was said. I hope I didn't miss any.

But maybe most disturbing was a latex glove, found laying in the front yard.

Rothwell's initial impression? "It appeared that Tara may have left on her own. However, we had a glove, a latex glove that we couldn't explain. That glove indicates foul play to us."

Investigators sealed the house, and took Tara’s car and the glove in for processing. Then they started reconstructing her last known movements.


Ever since Tara disappeared, the GBI has refused to name any suspects in the case, and has remained tight-lipped about any evidence they have, until now: Rothwell says that latex glove could be a significant piece of evidence.

Just days after Tara went missing, Rothwell sent the glove to the GBI crime lab in Atlanta. Trace evidence specialist Larry Peterson wasn't optimistic. "It's my experience from past cases that latex gloves like this had a relatively low rate of success," he explains.

But in this case, investigators caught a lucky break: against all odds, investigators had recovered DNA-male profile DNA-from the glove.

In Ocilla, Ga., the unsolved case of Tara's disappearance now hinges on finding a DNA match to that glove found outside her home.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/30/48hours/main4219397.shtml
 
I though he said the print would need to be manually matched because it isn't clear enough to match thru the computer (paraphrasing here)...so I'm not getting why he is confident the case is going to be solved. I guess with the DNA they can eliminate alot of people.
 
I have not yet read all the info released but what I have been able to read so far has not yet made me turn the corner to believe foul play has for sure taken place. We (the public) always knew that if she left her car behind that Tara must have had some help in leaving. Since there are 2 sexes the odds were at least 50% that the helper would be a male.

What we (the public) don't yet know for certain is whether or not that help was against her will or in accordance with her will.

The glove has been a piece of evidence since the beginning and we always knew it might have DNA or a print, although until now neither was confirmed by L.E.

What I find interesting is that the print and DNA is not readily identifiable as being local, especially to those known to be closest to Tara.

If Tara is a runaway it would mean she found an unknown to assist her, somoene not known to be a regular person in her home life.

If she was a crime victim it could mean a stranger abduction or use of a "clean up" person to help after a crime had happened. But here again we (the public) run into the lack of any released evidence of a crime, such as blood stains or evidence of a clean up of a crime such as attempted bleaching out of stains or wiping of prints from some surfaces where the should be prints.

I still find myself asking where is evidence a crime happened? Yes we have a glove and it has prints and some DNA according to what I have read and watched in a Greta interview but do we have evidence of a crime?

IF this were a crime by a local and was not planned and the perp called in an unknown person to "clean up" the situation that would mean someone had to have access to a male that was not one of the 150 or so tested later including known locals but yet who was close enough to this sort of out of the way location to be called in and do the clean up and exit on very short notice. While having access to such a mystery helper on such short notice is possible it seems unlikely, especially in light of the alleged alibis that have been said to have checked out BUT if a crime occurred and if it was actually planned it might make more sense as to why an unkown was so readily available to do a "clean up" and why alibis were so handy. . . . .but here again I run into one bothersome question. Do we have evidence of a crime having taken place? Without such evidence we are only a little closer to solving the case because of the DNA and the print but not closer to proving it was infact a crime case.

If L.E. is sitting on evidence of foul play and yet gave interviews where they stated there was no evidence of foul play only they can say if that was best for the case but it certainly makes it harder on the public to look at things and make any sense of it all.

At this point we know the name of the missing person. We know someone probably "helped" her leave home. We now know that person was a male (if the meaning of the glove evidence has been interpreted correctly). What we don't know is whether she left with this male willingly or as a victim of foul play.

The glove does speak to a certain presence of mind which seems a little unusual if the whole thing were unplanned (whether unplanned runaway or unplanned crime) and I find that interesting too.
 
At this point we know the name of the missing person. We know someone probably "helped" her leave home. We now know that person was a male (if the meaning of the glove evidence has been interpreted correctly). What we don't know is whether she left with this male willingly or as a victim of foul play.

I am wondering if Tara left willingly and then things went awry. The person she left with went back to her residence to clean up any evidence of his ever being at her house. I would look at anyone who had easy access to latex gloves. I wear latex gloves everyday (due to my profession) there are a million different brands and companies that supply the product. I hope that LE has worked to find the origin of the glove. I would look at every dental office, medical office, retirement home, daycare, nursing home in the area. That glove will (hopefully bring an end) to this mystery.
 
I thought there was evidence of a struggle or something of that nature in her bedroom and an overturned lamp, alarm clock knocked off on the floor and othere things i can'y remember right off the top of my head. Also wasn't the seat in her car positioned back as if a larger person were driving and forgot to move the seat back up to where she would have had it? Oh I truly believe there is evidence of a crime here. You DO have to taake into accoount what those who know her best have to say and they all say she would never just walkoff. I guess I'm failing to understand why you don't see any evidence of a crime and why you think she would just walk off.
 

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