George Floyd death / Derek Chauvin trial - Sidebar week 2

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  1. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    My bad, I deleted it bc I’m behind and may have missed something, but from that article there was this part:

    “He said Floyd's blood sample had 11 nanograms of fentanyl per milliliter and 5.6 nanograms of norfentanyl per milliliter. He said the level of methamphetamine was "low" and consistent with a prescription dose.“

    Medical witnesses clash with defense over George Floyd's death

    I didn’t know there was such a thing as prescription meth, but I googled and there is...I doubt it was prescription for obesity...did they mean fentanyl above? Or were they just trying to say the meth a low dose? Confused, why I dbm’d. I missed the last few days of court.

    Prescription Methamphetamine: Everything You Need to Know
     
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  2. Dogface

    Dogface Well-Known Member

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    sharing this that I came across...sounds very similar to the situation with GF, and the person survived(although I’m sure they had some trauma from it). So it’s hard for me to accept that a healthy person would have died from it. But then again, I’m no expert.

    Edit: I forgot the link
    Prosecutors say Chauvin kept his knee on teenager’s back for 17 minutes in 2017, while the boy said ‘I can’t breathe’ - Minnesota Reformer
     
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  3. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure if that's one of the two they are allowing. There was also a 14 he used excessive force with. One of the cases that will be shown as evidence is an arrest during which a man was restrained and Chauvin witnessed the other officer's placing the suspect in the recovery position. The man suffered an asthma attack and later the hospital staff told the officers if they had not given him medical attention sooner he would have died.

    It shows Chauvin knew the risk he was taking but did it anyway. Imo
     
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    Is it my imagination? Didn't Dr. Thomas say yesterday that an otherwise healthy person may have survived? (I believe it was on direct too) Will go back and check when I'm done watching Baker. Will say JMO for now.
     
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    I think the main reason they banned the technique is because even a healthy person can die from prolonged neck and back pressure.
     
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    quoting my own post...
    Dr. Baker explains his thought process with the video and not watching it right away, etc. at about the 8:00 mark of this video, for anyone interested:
     
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  7. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    Dbm
     
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  8. Dogface

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    Sorry! In my reply I forgot the link to a story - I edited but wanted to include it in case you didn’t see it! And no, it wasn’t your imagination!
    Prosecutors say Chauvin kept his knee on teenager’s back for 17 minutes in 2017, while the boy said ‘I can’t breathe’ - Minnesota Reformer
     
  9. CrimeAway

    CrimeAway Well-Known Member

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    There's an interview that Mr Hall did (prior to his most recent arrest), that was apparently aired by Court TV.
    I have found a shortened version of the interview on the Court TV YouTube channel, but evidently a longer version was aired.

    <modsnip: Removed discussion of social media that is not an approved source>

    Shortened version ( doesn't mention what they were doing):
     
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  10. CrimeAway

    CrimeAway Well-Known Member

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    Yes, methamphetamine is still prescribed (rarely) for ADHD and interestingly, has been trialed at very low doses for traumatic brain injury!
    Treatment with low-dose methamphetamine improves behavioral ... : Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery
     
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    mickey2942 Well-Known Member

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    Methamphetamine produced by pharmaceutical standards and meth cooked in a kitchen are two very different drugs.

    Not sure what GF took, but I am pretty sure it was not prescribed for him by a doctor, and purchased at a pharmacy.
     
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    Something must have been different in this case because the boy didn't die even with a neck restraint that lasted 17 minutes.

    I would like to know how the judge ruled on the admissibility of this video. JMO
     
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    I need to look for that on the media thread.
     
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    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Not following. What would he be disciplined for?

    Calling it a homicide?

    Saying it was due to what was a result of LE actions?
     
  15. Dogface

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    same!
     
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    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Have you reviewed the 3 charges. Not one of the requires intent. MOO

    Repost below from media thread on charges MN - George Floyd, 46, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 **Media & Timeline - NO DISCUSSION

     
  17. missy1974

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    I am half way through the cross examination of Baker, IMO he actually seems more comfortable while Nelson is questioning him, I have followed trials, this is feeling 'strange' to me. Again JMO
     
  18. CrimeAway

    CrimeAway Well-Known Member

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    I totally agree!

    It actually annoys me when people equate legally prescribed (and properly used) stimulants such as methylphenidate (Ritalin/Concerta), mixed amphetamine salts (Adderall), dextroamphetamine (Dexedrine), lisdexamphetamine (Vyvanse) and even methamphetamine (Desoxyn), with illegal meth or cocaine use.

    ETA: somewhat OT, but there are studies showing that a large percentage of the prison population has ADHD.
    A meta-analysis of the prevalence of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder in incarcerated populations
    Also other studies showing that early treatment for ADHD can help prevent later substance abuse:
    Preventing Substance Abuse in ADHD Takes Early Treatment, Harvard Expert Says
     
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    Also noteworthy, the use of force in that case was reported to supervisors and Chauvin was cleared.
     
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  20. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    (Yeah that whole thing was messy, imo, which is why I dbm’d)
     
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