George Floyd death / Derek Chauvin trial - Sidebar week 3

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  1. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Are first responders not supposed to treat people who might have covid?
     
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  2. MadMcGoo

    MadMcGoo Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    We’ll have to agree to disagree on your first paragraph. I don’t know whether or not GF was being sincere. I’ve encountered far more people who were not.

    I posted a relatively long comment regarding my thoughts on the rest of your post. I understand not many people will agree with me.
     
  3. RANCH

    RANCH United we stand, divided we fall.

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    Is not knowing for sure the cause of death reasonable doubt in this case? The information about the 98% blood oxygen level has me wondering. JMO
     
  4. missy1974

    missy1974 Well-Known Member

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    In isolation on a transcript that is easy to "hear", but I just had to listen numerous times, finally put my headphones on, and after a few times, I was able to hear what was said on the transcript but still can't distinguish who said it. With cross talk and their and their radios... I dunno...

    Why in the world didn't they clean up the audio on these video's??

    Are we sure that it was even Chauvin that said huh??? to me it sounds like it might be Keung?

    from the transcript linked in your post:

    Male 3 : Check his pulse. Check his . Check his pulse. Check his pulse .

    Thomas Lane: You got one?

    J. Alexander Kueng: I can't find one

    Derek Chauvin: Huh ?

    Male 3 Check is his pulse.

    J.AlexanderKueng: I thought check him for a pulse.

    Male 3 : Check his pulse, bro. He's coding, bro. Don't do drugs , bro ?What is that ?What do you think that is? He saw your car, what you're doing today ?

    J.AlexanderKueng: I can't find one


    it's at about 18:00 of this video:

     
  5. Mony Mony

    Mony Mony Well-Known Member

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    He was a police officer, not a medical provider. He wasn’t responding to a medical distress call.
     
  6. Boodles

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    I think you previously said you’ve dealt with such situations many, many times. Am I remembering correctly? May I ask in what capacity? I’m curious about your POV based on experience.
     
  7. missy1974

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    like the AWESOME! juror? lol
     
  8. Boodles

    Boodles Well-Known Member

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    I thought I heard someone testify that they do CPR but not mouth-to-mouth resuscitation due to Covid.
     
  9. MadMcGoo

    MadMcGoo Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    You remembered correctly. Corrections.

    ETA: I have experience beyond that, but the majority of time was this.
     
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    Ditto. A few years ago, I would have scoffed at such a thought. These days, I’m not very trusting anymore.
     
  11. In vino veritas

    In vino veritas Well-Known Member

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    It actually does matter though. The fact that GF was complaining about his breathing before he was even in the ground lends credence to the fact that something else was at play.... possibly the onset of a heart attack, exacerbated by the drugs in his system. To me, that’s the reasonable doubt for the murder charges at least.
    The fact that aid was NEVER rendered provides the conviction for manslaughter. Just MoO!
     
  12. missy1974

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    Good question... lol I started to answer... and then realized... if you can't even decipher what the cause of death was, can you 'without a doubt' contribute that death to Chauvin? I'm not sure.

    The 98% blood oxygen levels... I think the State may have made a misstep on that one. I think it left a lot of unanswered questions. I am not sure why they didn't get Tobin to explain more.
     
  13. MsBetsy

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    Well, my point is that it does not matter if they "thought" he was sincere or obnoxious. A person reporting not being able to breathe is a potential medical emergency.

    Working in the mental health field, I've encountered people who've repeatedly said they couldn't breathe, or were extremely agitated, or thought they were dying. They never did. Yet every time the police or paramedics were called, they always responded as if it were an emergency, despite the fact they had been called numerous times for the same claim.

    Imo
     
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    Yes, we absolutely agree on this. It should be handled as such. They upgraded the call, which I assume was their way of labeling it an emergency. I honestly don’t understand why nothing was done when we can all see something should have been done.
     
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    RANCH United we stand, divided we fall.

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    Maybe Dr Fowler is right in saying that the death should be classified as "undetermined".

    Chauvin trial: Floyd's death should be 'undetermined', defence expert says
    Chauvin trial: Floyd's death should be 'undetermined', defence expert says


     
  16. MadMcGoo

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    According to his girlfriend, during the drug OD he had foam coming from his mouth and he complained of stomach pain. He felt like he was going to die.

    During the arrest he had foam coming from his mouth and he said his stomach hurt when they had him on the ground. While they were trying to get him into the car he felt like he was going to die. He had the same symptoms as he had just two months prior, when he was hospitalized for 5 days from a drug overdose. IMO
     
  18. MsBetsy

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    I thought police officers were considered first responders, or at least have the same training. If he wasn't comfortable giving Floyd rescue breaths or CPR, then why not allow the firefighter to try? She seemed perfectly willing to me. Why pull out the mace as she was telling them to check his pulse?
     
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    do you remember if we heard what he OD'd on in March? was it fentanyl/meth mix? or just fentanyl? or unknown?
     
  20. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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