George Floyd death / Derek Chauvin trial - Sidebar week 3

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  1. wasnt_me

    wasnt_me Well-Known Member

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    Yes, so in my example, the defendant directs the person off the road. The helicopter, which comes after the defendant's act, falls to the ground, alters the natural sequents of events -- and causes a result that would have not otherwise occured.
     


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    ilovewings Well-Known Member

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    He did not give up on the angry mob theory--I am sure he will use that in his closing
    argument
     
  3. kittythehare

    kittythehare Well-Known Member

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    You are describing a normal, to you, panic attack and that is fine.
    However if you were being pushed into an extremely narrow space, forcefully, and with someone's hands on the back of your neck for some of that time, it might add considerably to your distress.
    The evidence photos of the rear seat in that police vehicle were EXTREMELY narrow.
    In an effort to avoid being placed into an area that would greatly exacerbate your condition by virtue of it's size and your size, could you say you wouldn't resist being brought into such a terrifying state?

    I don't you, personally, I mean 'one'.
    It was GF's body, not one of ours. He was big.
     
  4. wasnt_me

    wasnt_me Well-Known Member

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    If that's true, it was up to Nelson to bring that out on Cross. He did not, so I'm considering the evidence in record, which is that she offered to help and was denied the ability. Unless, did anyone hear that they can't in trial?
     
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    wasnt_me Well-Known Member

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    I would and not by choice. I think it would be a natural reflex.
     
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    It has nothing to do with being thin-skinned. They have no idea that she is really a firefighter. Anybody can claim that to gain access to the scene. And given the situation with people yelling insults, I can’t blame them. She lost her cool quickly and appeared to be antagonistic. IMO
     
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    wasnt_me Well-Known Member

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    It very much has to do with thinned skin when I'm responding to someone saying that she called the police a name. That's what I was replying to.
     
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    I would also lose my cool quickly if I saw a man kneeling on another's neck for over nine minutes.Imagine watching a man being killed and no one helping him at all?
     
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    Did Mr. Floyd have any problem getting in/fitting into the narrow rear seat of the police cruiser in the 2019 incident??
     
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    Been catching up on "life' today and came home to this in my email Minneapolis Suspends In-Person School Before Chauvin Verdict

    I see way back it was discussed...to me this is a perfect example of why sequestration should have happened before now. I am sure there are a few jurors with kids in school and even without kids we call got this email in the area. Will be another point on appeal.
     
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    See, this is one of those things ... I wish I hadn't watched the whole video of his 2019 arrest, because it clouds my judgement on the anxiety/claustrophobic thing.

    I think the jurors might be able to look at it like it was simply anxiety though.

    I do have anxiety.. fairly manageable... it's one of those things that some people just cannot understand it if they have never felt it.
     
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    RANCH United we stand, divided we fall.

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    If she had remained calm and professional, which is how I would expect a firefighter to act under stress, perhaps she would have gained proper recognition from the officers on scene. JMO
     
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    wasnt_me Well-Known Member

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    Was it admitted into evidence the part of him getting in there?
     
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    She isn't the problem.The police officer who sure wasn't calm and cool while killing a man is.
     
  15. missy1974

    missy1974 Well-Known Member

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    No.
     
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    You know, I didn't watch that. I didn't want to . Should I?
     
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    I never said anyone was. I feel this is becoming argumentative at this point. I’ve tried my best to explain my thoughts and I’m not great at it. Obviously most don’t understand me or my point of view and even less agree. If I can think of a better way to explain, I will.
     
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    The still shots the prosecutors showed on the last day where Chauvin had his arm around GF's neck inside the squad car hurt them more than it helped. When shown the full video of that portion of the incident shortly after, it was obvious that Chauvin was just pulling GF out of the squad car and his arm was very loosely around GFs neck/shoulder area. The split second DC's foot was lifted off the pavement was another. The way they showed that all his weight must've been on GF since there is a split second where his toe is lifted that they found by going through frame by frame.

    IMO, and possibly in the minds of at least one juror, it looked so weak. Like is your case so weak that you need to go frame-by-frame and insinuate/show split seconds of a video to try to get a "gotcha" moment.
     
  19. kittythehare

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    I don't blame her for losing the rag.
    But, I very much doubt she would have been allowed to assist in those conditions, legally.
    LE were the custodians until they handed him over to the paramedics who then became the custodians.
    I imagine there are written guidelines in this regard.
    IMO there are rarely breaches.
    Bystanders are frequently a nightmare for health care professionals dealing with an emergency. They all have different stories. I recall one night being called to a RTA and there were about 80 bystanders all telling us the patiets were in different fields, pitch black and black ice on the roads..
    That's irrelevant, really because it's from a paramedic's perspective, but I think LE guidelines are even tighter.

    They COULD have listened to her, however, there weren't many of them and she was rightly claiming the patient was dying. They could, at least have considered her words.
     
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