George Floyd death / Derek Chauvin trial - Sidebar week 3

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  1. JaneEyre

    JaneEyre Kindness matters - always

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    I think that losing your cool while watching someone being murdered is the most normal response to that situation. Killing someone slowly is the abnormal thing here.
     
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  2. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Yes, but as we see here at WS, some here do not agree with such a reaction perhaps, and do not understand such feelings many here have, nor have such angst.

    Indeed I find eye opening that many folks would not react as I do, and try to understand that some may not have felt like "going ballistic" and understanding such feelings as most of us have. That they think all on the sidewalk should have been quiet and gone their way, or not tried to EXCLAIM TO HELP. Some, they just don't see such emotions. They don't understand such emotions. They perceive these traumatic helpless cries for help and gut instincts as something else?

    That's what I like about WS... is to know that there are folks who have differing opinions, even if they SHOCK me to the core. But, they have them, that is where they come from. To each his own here at WS with recognition of such.

    But those folks exist here on the threads, and I'm so interested in reading their views as they are so very very polar to what I thought ALL people would have seeing such a site.

    It has been very eye opening indeed to me reading such.

    EXTREMELY eye opening.
     
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  3. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    I was referring to the restraint. Once a suspect is already hand cuffed and lying in the prone position, what would be an acceptable reason for the neck and back restraining for an additional nine minutes? What was it the officers had to adapt to? I have never heard of nonstop force so I'm not sure what you mean.
     
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  4. kittythehare

    kittythehare Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry you had such a scary experience but I'm marvelling at your wonderful dream of catharsis, forgiveness and a heart that's big enough to do that.
    It's overwhelming for all of us whether we're websleuths or not.
    Just the other day somebody said something that struck me.She said she misses the days when we only heard the news in the evenings.
    Now it's all day, every day and it's quite a bombardment.
    He really scared you but you were able to forgive him in your dream and go a step further, save his life.
    There is a big lesson there for me and thank you for sharing it.
    Be well.
    I know you will.
     
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  5. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    He also had CPR for almost 45 minutes. The whole purpose for CPR is to keep oxygen flowing in and out of the lungs and oxygenated blood flowing through the body, until the patient is breathing on their own. I'm not a doctor or a nurse but I've been trained in CPR.

    At least one of the witnesses explained it's important to keep going even if the victim has taken a few breathes, or gasps. I don't remember the context but maybe it had something to do with keeping the oxygen going or preventing tissue death.

    Imo
     
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  6. missy1974

    missy1974 Well-Known Member

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    So sorry you had to go through that. Take care.
     
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  7. missy1974

    missy1974 Well-Known Member

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    I remember hearing that and thinking 'he knew!!!', but then right afterwards he says 'if he's gonna come back, we gotta tell him where his stuff is'. (He/they were telling Shawanda Hill to put GF's phone back into the car)

    This wasn't an exhibit in the trial afaik, this was filed in pretrial motions I think, and I do recall at one point in the trial, the State wanted to show a video with 'caption's' and Nelson argued against it saying it was the State's interpretation and the judge agreed, saying that the jury could hear what they could hear or something like that. I think it might have been something to do with the "I ate too many drugs" vs "I ain't do no drugs".

    ETA: the video that goes with the transcript:
     
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  8. mickey2942

    mickey2942 Well-Known Member

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    What would have happened if someone had really stepped up to Chauvin, intervened, and GF would be alive today?

    1. GF would be in jail, for the counterfeit bill, drugs.
    2. Chauvin would still be out working and providing "training" to new officers.
    3. The person who stepped up? Would probably be knee deep in police charges, court dates, and be portrayed as a "dangerous individual" who "interferred" with police officers. Probably end up hog tied as well, with a knee on his or her throat for five or ten minutes to "calm" her down.

    Yeah. So much for Whistleblowing. Or trying to help out. Been there, done it.
     
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  9. turaj

    turaj Well-Known Member

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    I can take the "what if" to a simpler place ...."what if" Chauvin and Thao had not decided to go back up the Lane and his partner who really were the responders on the call. The back up call was cancelled and they decided to go anyway per Thao's insistence since he knew the "hood". I think the rookies would have handled the call just fine...eventually calmed GF down...so 1 and 2 above still the same.
     
  10. kittythehare

    kittythehare Well-Known Member

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    I agree.
    It wasn't that hard to calm him down in the 2019 call and he was a great deal more wasted at that time.
    I still wonder , at the back of my mind whether the two recognised each other from the night club work..
    Irrelevant to this trial in any case.
     
  11. MadMcGoo

    MadMcGoo Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    By non stop I meant back to back to back for, most times, the duration of shift.
     
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  12. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I think they were doing fine considering it was their first week. It did not escalate into a life threatening situation until Chauvin and Thao got there.
     
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  13. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    VERY MUCH UNDERSTOOD!

    I have changed my daily news watching. No longer what I did watch before. I now do 30 minute news program which gives me highlights as to NEWS... and not talking heads any longer.
     
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  14. magnolia

    magnolia War Eagle

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    The officers in the 2019 incident were more assertive and vocal in their communication. I believe Mr. Floyd knew these officers meant business.IMO

    It went through my mind as I watched the video that Mr. Floyd said nothing about being claustrophobic during the 2019 incident.
     
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    tara83 Well-Known Member

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    Actually I thought the opposite while watching it.They actually made jokes and didn't seem angry.My brother who is a police officer said that's often the way he approaches things and it seems to lesson the tension.
     
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  16. turaj

    turaj Well-Known Member

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    Well went back and found this very complete video of 2019...I can't make out much what he said and did not hear "claustrophobic" but what struck me was the takedown and tactics of the officers...so different...they spoke to him like a human being...got the job done...cuffed...standing and honestly he was about the same as May 25th. It shows how it could have and should have gone down
     
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    Leve Well-Known Member

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    I'm done think anybody is saying nobody should have been upset even yelling.

    As far as the FF, imagine if instead of calling names and yelling from the crowd, she would have just said I'm so and so a firefighter out of station whatever, I work under chief blah blah. I'm a trained EMT. Can I offer some assistance? No. I'm not blaming her for anything, just saying she could also have handled things differently too.

    There is no excuse for not rendering aid to GF and for continuing to restrain him after he lost consciousness and especially after they found no pulse.
     
  18. missy1974

    missy1974 Well-Known Member

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    I hope once the trial is over that the jurors talk, hopefully anonymously for their own safety.

    But I want to know what they thought about certain witnesses, evidence, opinions, regardless of what their verdict is.
     
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  19. turaj

    turaj Well-Known Member

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    Yes it is always good to hear. I can think of one in particular if she deliberates that would like to talk. I think we will not hear much for quite some time though depending on the verdict.
     
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  20. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Ok. So are you saying police are trained to automatically use force before considering other options, such as de-escalation? Or that despite their training they are "conditioned" to use force no matter what the level of resistance?

    From your perspective, what are some of the things Chauvin should have or should not have done beginning when he first arrived and throughout the neck restraint?

    What actions by Floyd can be described as fighting or actively resisting during the nine minutes and 26 seconds he was restrained?

    It's always interesting to get an LE opinion and we don't always have that advantage on every thread.
     
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