George Floyd death / Derek Chauvin trial - Sidebar week 3

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  1. bluebird69

    bluebird69 Well-Known Member

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    How awful for you. Easy for me to comment thousands of miles away, thoughts are with you, stay home,stay safe.
     
  2. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Great point Mony. Many outside the US, and inside the US may question why Lane, Keung and Thoa didn't testify and think as you do that they were involved in "suppression of evidence" by not being put on the stand. And as you state in your mind, is a seed of doubt.

    THREE police officers chose to do such.
     
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    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Freedom of Information - The judge will eventually release the names when he deems safe for the jurors as he stated during voir dire.
     
  4. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Yes, many agree with you as to Lane, Keung and Thao not testifying. But is their right.
     
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  5. bluebird69

    bluebird69 Well-Known Member

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    What effect would it have had on the jury if Morriss, and the three officers had been made to appear and take the 5th on the stand. It would have been interesting to say the least
     
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    Mony Mony Well-Known Member

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    Did they state they would exercise their 5th amendment? Honest question. I have no idea. But I don’t think one can just “choose” not to testify. They can be compelled to either testify or plead the 5th???
     
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    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if Lane would have testified if he had been allowed to have a separate trial. He would have been a good witness for the prosecution. His own attorney seems to agree that someone should have intervened. He was the only one who showed any concern for the victim.
     
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  8. Chelly

    Chelly Always Remember Teghan Skiba

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    Lane was the officer on the ground next to Chauvin, right?
     
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    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Nelson: Ex-officers Lane, Thao will not testify in Chauvin trial

    "Nelson mentioned this on Wednesday while discussing a motion to exclude the statements of Thomas Lane and Tou Thao. Both men gave voluntary taped statements to the BCA under the guidance of lawyers with the understand their statements could be used against them.

    "I confirmed with each of the attorneys last night that they are not permitting their clients to testify in this trial – I would have no ability to cross examine those particular statements; anything else I think is fair game," said Nelson."
     
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    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Lane was at GF's feet, Keung was in the middle, next to Chauvin.
     
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  11. turaj

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    i think Lane should have his own trial...as I understand it he and Keung are being tried together...Lane was the only officer that spoke about turning him on his side and went in the ambo etc. only one that showed some humanity. I think he would do better on his own.
     
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    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    And if Chauvin gets off on all three charges, so would Lane as his charge is aiding and abetting? (Or if hung jury and retrial, would the three trials be delayed?)

    https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgo.../27-CR-20-12951-TKL/LaneComplaint06032020.pdf


    "Officer Chauvin, the defendant, and Officer Kueng subdued Mr. Floyd prone to the ground in this manner for nearly 9 minutes. During this time, Mr. Floyd repeatedly stated he could not breathe and his physical condition continued to deteriorate such that force was no longer necessary to control him. Officer Chauvin had his knee on Mr. Floyd's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in total. Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive. Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous. Officer Chauvin’s restraint of Mr. Floyd in this manner for a prolonged period was a substantial causal factor in Mr. Floyd losing consciousness, constituting substantial bodily harm, and Mr. Floyd’s death as well."
     
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    People often wonder why other officers don't intervene in situations like this.Cariol Horne was a police officer who stopped a fellow officer from using a chokehold on a handcuffed suspect in 2008 and was fired.She sued the city and just won and received her pension just this year.With attitudes like this why would a fellow cop turn a bad cop in?
     
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    I had the time this afternoon to sit and watch Dr. Tobin again (on 2x speed lol)

    For those of us that were wondering if CPR and what that does came up in the trial... it was NOT in his testimony.

    He is also normally a paid witness at $500/hr, but has only ever testified in civil cases, never a criminal case. Just mentioning because earlier I had said he had never been a witness before... I was wrong, he has never been a witness in a criminal trial.

    ETA: correct spelling error.. and add... I actually have a few more questions now after listening to Dr. Tobin's testimony... going to listen to the cardiologist again and see if they were answered.
     
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    One thing that I was reading about joint trials the other day is that it gives the defendants the opportunity to turn on each other. Blame each other for what happened, and cause reasonable doubt.

    This should/would likely go better for Lane, as Lane was holding George's legs and not perched on his lungs. Along, of course, with Lane being the one to ask twice about use of the recovery position and performing CPR.
     
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    In spite of stories such as this, a morally centred person will do the right thing and face the consequences later.

    But, yeah, it has to be very difficult when it's your first day on the job, your superior should know the right thing to do, and you fear your career may be on the line if you cross him.
     
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  18. Mony Mony

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    Gah, then why is Lane on trial? He did what he was supposed to do short of fighting Chauvin to get him off of Floyd.
     
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    I would imagine it is quite simply because a person died while in his (their) custody. And the criminal blame for that is yet to be apportioned.

    Kueng also followed procedure to a degree, in that he was the one who took George's pulse a couple of times.
     
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  20. Mony Mony

    Mony Mony Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately people die all the time. How about all the people that die under a doctors’s care. Should they be held criminally liable and face jail time? (I am not arguing with you, just frustrated). Some docs get their licensed removed, but Lane is facing criminal charges. Doesn’t seem right to me.

    I do think DC should have his “police license” removed, I just question the criminal responsibility.
     
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