George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion #2

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ScarlettScarpetta

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I just want to say...imoo... HLN needs to stop, just stop. I know they did the whole pause thing with cmja but again? Come on, they are just way too over the top.

Im watching WILD ABOUT TRIAL on the lap top. I can not take the commentators and I don't want to be swayed by opinion. I am watching this strictly as an open minded juror. Waiting to have the case proved to me.
 

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I just want to say...imoo... HLN needs to stop, just stop. I know they did the whole pause thing with cmja but again? Come on, they are just way too over the top.

They are just ridiculous with it. I'd rather see it live and just miss the parts of the trial that happen during the breaks. And stop cutting to THs to tell me what I'm watching! :banghead:
 

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He did the same thing. Immediately called police. He got out when he lost sight of the unknown person just to let police know where he was.

If anything his pattern was to call police, get a description and keep his eyes on unknown person until Police arrived and could investigate.

Goerge did not need to get out of his vehicle. He called it in, period, all he was supposed to do. IMO had he just sat his butt in his vehicle, by the time the police arrived Trayvon would have been home, as he was just walking home from 7-11. He chose to escalate this by following Trayvon, scaring Trayvon, and carrying a loaded gun.
 

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Im watching WILD ABOUT TRIAL on the lap top. I can not take the commentators and I don't want to be swayed by opinion. I am watching this strictly as an open minded juror. Waiting to have the case proved to me.

Oh yes, I am too. I just have the tv on mute. I think they are ridicules though. :lol:
 

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Goerge did not need to get out of his vehicle. He called it in, period, all he was supposed to do. IMO had he just sat his butt in his vehicle, by the time the police arrived Trayvon would have been home, as he was just walking home from 7-11. He chose to escalate this by following Trayvon, scaring Trayvon, and carriyng a loaded gun.

There is NO evidence of what you stated.

He also would have been home well before George got off the phone with the 911 call taker too.

Trayvon was found 70 yards away from where he was staying which means the only possible way that could have happened is if he either waited for George in the darkness or he double back.
 

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Goerge did not need to get out of his vehicle. He called it in, period, all he was supposed to do. IMO had he just sat his butt in his vehicle, by the time the police arrived Trayvon would have been home, as he was just walking home from 7-11. He chose to escalate this by following Trayvon, scaring Trayvon, and carrying a loaded gun.

I agree with all of that. My problem though is he isn't charged with being a jerk or having bad judgement or even with following Trayvon when he shouldn't have. He's charged with Murder.
 

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When I was younger (30's), I lived in Detroit, MI in a beautiful neighborhood. I was involved in Neighborhood Watch Program for our block. Each block meet and decide how to run it independent of each other. We met with the Detroit Police Officer from the 5th Precinct (five blocks from us) who was Public Relation/Community Service Officer. He taught was to how to organize, what to do and not do. The elected Captain went to workshops to carry back the information to fellow neighbors. (with hand outs etc).

The captains of the different blocks meet once a month to exchange information too (suggestion by the Police) if their is problems in their area, etc.

No one in the other blocks organized in such a way where they patrolled their block. Most did alot of prevention to make sure our homes were secure and helped each other to watch homes when each other went on vacation, etc.

Most of what was taught was observation and if behaviors were such to worry homeowners then call the police to come out and investigate.

So based on my experience as part of a wonderful organization that really does work, I have a problem with Zimmerman taking it upon himself to patrol the neighborhood. I have not heard heard that others rotated to patrol so I am going to infer he got into it with zeal to be the unofficial "cop" of the neighborhood. That is dangerous which prove it self in the long run.

JMHO
 

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Goerge did not need to get out of his vehicle. He called it in, period, all he was supposed to do. IMO had he just sat his butt in his vehicle, by the time the police arrived Trayvon would have been home, as he was just walking home from 7-11. He chose to escalate this by following Trayvon, scaring Trayvon, and carrying a loaded gun.

I disagree, I don't think he was scaring TM. I think that TM got in his face as GZ said. IF TM wanted to avoid GZ all he had to do was keep walking. GZ would most likely not have found him and he would have been on his way.

I think that because of the call and the length of it and how long it takes for the incident to take place, That TM was indeed hanging out, Hiding somewhere watching GZ and came after him. It makes the most sense.
 

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I agree with all of that. My problem though is he isn't charged with being a jerk or having bad judgement or even with following Trayvon when he shouldn't have. He's charged with Murder.

Which the state can't even proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
 

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One guy from his neighborhood (I think one of his friends) was on JVM last night. He said that during an 11-month period, there were maybe 7-9 burglaries in that neighborhood and that YOUNG BLACK MEN had been charged in ALL of them.

That would be Georges bestest buddy Frank Taffee. Trayvon was NOT committing a crime. GZ did NOT see him committing a crime. George did NOT see him breaking and entering. GZ seen him walking home from a 7-11. Supposedly standing on his buddys/Taffee lawn.
 

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This case appears to be about 'believability' for many....

On one hand a person can see the calls as responsible NW, another could see an individual who says 'they' always get away with it, and decides to make sure 'this one' does not.

This jury is going to really have to focus on evidence, and stay neutral.
 

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This case appears to be about 'believability' for many....

On one hand a person can see the calls as responsible NW, another could see an individual who says 'they' always get away with it, and decides to make sure 'this one' does not.

This jury is going to really have to focus on evidence, and stay neutral.

Jurors are instructed to use their common sense in the jury room too.
 

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Im watching WILD ABOUT TRIAL on the lap top. I can not take the commentators and I don't want to be swayed by opinion. I am watching this strictly as an open minded juror. Waiting to have the case proved to me.

Me too, except I'm on my iPhone. I have an unlimited data plan (thank GOD) on my phone, if I watch on my 'puter, Hughesnet puts me in time out grrrr.
 

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I disagree, I don't think he was scaring TM. I think that TM got in his face as GZ said. IF TM wanted to avoid GZ all he had to do was keep walking. GZ would most likely not have found him and he would have been on his way.

I think that because of the call and the length of it and how long it takes for the incident to take place, That TM was indeed hanging out, Hiding somewhere watching GZ and came after him. It makes the most sense.

There is no evidence TM was hiding watching GZ while there is ample evidence GZ was watching and following TM
 

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When I was younger (30's), I lived in Detroit, MI in a beautiful neighborhood. I was involved in Neighborhood Watch Program for our block. Each block meet and decide how to run it independent of each other. We met with the Detroit Police Officer from the 5th Precinct (five blocks from us) who was Public Relation/Community Service Officer. He taught was to how to organize, what to do and not do. The elected Captain went to workshops to carry back the information to fellow neighbors. (with hand outs etc).

The captains of the different blocks meet once a month to exchange information too (suggestion by the Police) if their is problems in their area, etc.

No one in the other blocks organized in such a way where they patrolled their block. Most did alot of prevention to make sure our homes were secure and helped each other to watch homes when each other went on vacation, etc.

Most of what was taught was observation and if behaviors were such to worry homeowners then call the police to come out and investigate.

So based on my experience as part of a wonderful organization that really does work, I have a problem with Zimmerman taking it upon himself to patrol the neighborhood. I have not heard heard that others rotated to patrol so I am going to infer he got into it with zeal to be the unofficial "cop" of the neighborhood. That is dangerous which prove it self in the long run.

JMHO

George was the only one on patrol because nobody else would volunteer. This is why he is the only one patrolling the neighboorhood.

There is no evidence to suggest that GZ got a kick out of being the only person on neighboorhood watch.

trying to find a link.
 

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There is no evidence TM was hiding watching GZ while there is ample evidence GZ was watching and following TM

Then why was he found 70 yards away north of his destination which was TM's father's GF house?

Where did he go when GZ was on the phone? He could have made it home.
 
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