George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion #4

Discussion in 'George Zimmerman Trial/Trayvon Martin' started by Tricia, Jun 23, 2013.

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  1. PaintingAnemone

    PaintingAnemone New Member

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    Interesting. Thanks for the insight.
     
  2. corundogs

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    I think this confusion is why so many of us just can't believe GZ's account.

    It's VERY confusing!!!
     
  3. shelley921

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    oh okay - I see......thanks.

    Cursive writing works with a child's fine motor skills. If we do away with cursive, kids will lose fine motor activity that they will need later in life.

    I want to know who all these people who hardly use cursive anymore are. I am over age 50
    and I still write lists and handwritten notes in cursive.

    With touch screen technology the keyboard is probably more archaic than hand-writing in cursive, so they might as well teach cursive, and stop wasting time teaching typing, because that will probably go away first.

    Several years ago, my nephew who was then 8, learned cursive and once he acquired some skill using it, he said he prefered cursive over print. He told me it was because it was faster and it all blends together. He made a huge leap forward in reading when he began writing in cursive because he started to see the words as a whole rather than sounding each letter out individually. I see learning cursive as helpful.
     
  4. PaintingAnemone

    PaintingAnemone New Member

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    Fair enough.
     
  5. Isabelle

    Isabelle Verified registered nurse

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    My sister has been in the USA more than 50 years and speak no english either.
     
  6. Bernina

    Bernina Well-Known Member

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    It's common practice now for a Judge to place orders against BOTH parties, instead of dealing with the He said/She said, if there is not witnesses or enough evidence to just apply the order to one party. This puts BOTH parties on notice.
     
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    My grand daughter is 13. She was taught cursive (both being able to read and write) but students are not required to use it on their paperwork. Rachel is older and would have been taught both to read and write it as well. I fear this may be a case of the teachers passing her on without mastery.
     
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    O/T just to let everyone know in case you have not heard Dylan's remains have been found.
     
  9. sacrablue

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    Why didn't they interview the other witness in Creole Haitian language ?
     
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    iluvmua Well-Known Member

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    She spoke English very well. She mumbled, but that would be true no matter what language she was speaking.
     
  12. DIBSY

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    Update, if you please. It is my understanding, as it was officially reported , that those suspects had already been apprehended by LE and that GZ must have been aware of it.

    According to evidence, TM was standing in a communal area, where the mailboxes are sheltered, when he was not by his father's fiance's home.
     
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    She spoke English very well?
     
  14. m00c0w

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    There are several things wrong with this. For one, police reports are not generally allowable in court as they're considered hearsay. The actual person would be compelled to testify, and the police report may be used to impeach their own testimony, but a police report on its face is generally not allowed.

    "Prior bad acts" are also excluded as evidence towards character under US FRE 404.

    I'm not entirely sure how the conclusion was reached that the prosecution can use things of that nature, but they cannot for the purpose of impeaching character.
     
  15. especiallyheather

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    That is what I was saying in my previous post about Florida schools removing cursive writing from CORE next year.

    Every student in third and fourth grade is taught cursive until next year when they remove it from the CORE.

    source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/end-cursive/story?id=12749517#.Ucy2nJxPLGk
     
  16. shelley921

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    yes let's - wasn't he expelled from school?

    someone posted earlier on TM's past - I think it was Nezumi :
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    the Facebook and Twitter content of TM is absolutely relevant to understanding the person that GZ encountered that night. Far from being the sweet faced 12 year old depicted in the photos provided by the family and their lawyer to the media, he was a recreational drug user and underage drinker who, by his own admission, was involved in multiple assaults of others and who was in the process of trying to illegally obtain a weapon. If I'm not mistaken, THC was found in his system at autopsy. He had been expelled from school and kicked out of his mother's home and sent to live with his father when she could no longer control him.

    I find it interesting that we have had so many conversations about the value and accuracy of our personal intuition in so many other cases yet no one is prepared to give GZ the benefit of his intuition.
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  17. iluvmua

    iluvmua Well-Known Member

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    The pressure on her throughout this whole mess has been unconscionable. Used by the Martins, used by the media, used by the prosecutor ... and then hung up to dry. Embarrassed INTENTIONALLY on the stand about not being able to read cursive during prosecution re-direct. (Couldn't they just let it go? All the points had already been made on both sides by then).

    Teens do use that language everyday. Just sit in any McDonald's and listen to their conversations. She clearly didn't think her speaking with Trayvon was going to be such a big thing. My heart breaks for her. I can only pray that her Mom and Dad are involved and supportive.

    Having said that (sorry I kinda took it all out on you), I also think that her narrative about what happened is likely to have been constructed to PLEASE everyone who was putting pressure on her. I cemented that opinion when she said, "I now think TM held racist thoughts." I don't think TM thought twice about using those phrases, whether he was racist or not. It think it was just his familiar speech patterns.

    Parents who shrug their shoulders and let their children speak this way are doing them a horrible disservice. What kids say when they're out with their friends we have little control over, but at least we can make sure they use proper, educated speech at home.
     
  19. iluvmua

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    yes, at least three times
     
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    When they make these laws I find it interesting that they can be so vague.
    What would cause me to feel 'fear for my life' vs what would cause another to 'fear for their life' could be at huge ends of a spectrum.

    Who gets to decide what an 'acceptable' reason is? If the law does not outline clearly what it defines as 'situations that it considers fall under the 'fear for life' guideline, than how can someone judge my reaction to fear over someone else's? It allows for so much prejudice IMO.
     
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