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Germany - Halle, Two people killed in attacks on synagogue and kebab shop, 9 Oct 2019

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  1. FrostOwl

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    Two people were killed when masked and camouflage dressed men with guns and hand grenades attacked a synagogue and a kebab shop in Halle. 'Rampage situation' as two killed in shooting in German city of Halle
    There were about 70 - 80 people in the synagogue celebrating Yom Kippur, and thankfully security outside hindered the attackers get inside.
    IMO, if both a synagogue and a kebab shop was targeted, it looks as if the perpetrators could be part of neo-nazi or other xenophobic groups.
     
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    German media report gunmen tried to enter synagogue and threw grenade into kebab restaurant
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    A police officer escorts a man as from the site of the shooting in Halle. Photograph: Fabrizio Bensch/Reuters
    Authorities in the eastern German city of Halle say they are dealing with a “rampage situation” after gunmen reportedly targeted a synagogue and a kebab shop in the city, killing two people.

    Several shots were fired in the Paulus quarter north of the city centre around midday, police said. The head of the the Jewish community in Halle, Max Privorotzki, told Spiegel magazine that gunmen in military gear had tried to force their way into a synagogue but were repelled by security personnel.

    The Jewish community has been celebrating Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the year in Judaism. There were 70 to 80 people in the synagogue at the time of the incident, Privorotzki said.

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    Rechter Terror in Halle: Neonazi Stephan Balliert streamte seinen Anschlag live

    Neonazi Stephan Balliet (27) streamte seine Tat im Internet


    Neo-Nazi Stephan Balliet (27) streamed his crime on the Internet and commented on his actions


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    He was arrested and lives to tell. Filmed his actions, and his murders and streamed them on the internet with his own comments as it happened.

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    Hananya Naftali @HananyaNaftali

    WATCH: The moment the attacker attempted to break into the synagogue on Yom Kippur. Around 80 Jewish worshipers were there at that moment. Thankfully he couldn't enter. #Halle

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    Video at link. You see the attack from the viewpoint of the shooter. Shots fail to open the door. He swears and says Scheisse, German for s**t

    The synagogue seems to have been his main aim, only when he could not get in, he started shooting at other targets.
     
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    News zu Halle/Saale: Täter lud Video im Internet hoch

    After the deadly shots in Halle an der Saale there are new findings: As the NDR, WDR and Süddeutsche Zeitung learned from security circles, the perpetrator is called Stephan B. and is a German citizen. He apparently shot a video of the crime and uploaded it to the Internet using the live streaming service Twitch. Shortly after the upload, Twitch deleted the recording, but copies are circulating on the net. The video is now available to the investigating authorities. According to information from security circles, the procedure is reminiscent of the procedure of the perpetrator in Christchurch in New Zealand - who, however, streamed his crime live.

    The video is also available to the Süddeutsche Zeitung. The recording of the crime lasts almost 36 minutes and reveals the ideology of the perpetrator: he is a right-wing radical terrorist. Right at the beginning the young man with bald head denies the Holocaust, rants against feminism and refugees and calls Jews "the cause of all problems."


    The rest of the video shows the two attacks on synagogue and kebab shop. The perpetrator mounted the camera on his head and filmed his murders from a first-person perspective. In the synagogue, a wooden entrance door stops him, he curses and shortly afterwards shoots a woman at close range. In the kebab shop his apparently homemade weapons fail, he has to reload several times and go back to his car.

    Later he fires shots at a police car, and his equipment breaks apart. "I have definitely proved how worthless improvised weapons are," says the terrorist before fleeing in his car. At the end he says audibly frustrated: "All weapons failed, man."

    After the shots were fired, two seriously injured persons were admitted to the university hospital of the city of Halle. They underwent surgery and are now apparently out of danger.

    According to the findings of the investigating authorities so far, this is probably a single offender. However, the investigation continues. In Landsberg, about 15 kilometers from Halle, heavily armed police searched several houses in the Wiedersdorf district in the evening. A police spokeswoman for the German Press Agency confirmed that shots had also been fired there during the day. She did not give any further details.

    Federal Interior Minister Horst Seehofer said that according to the Federal Attorney General, there were " sufficient indications of a possible right-wing extremist background" for the attacker from Halle. It must also be assumed that the attack was "anti-Semitic".
    Because the perpetrator did not gain access to the synagogue, the Jewish community may have escaped a catastrophe. Inside, 70 to 80 people celebrated the highest Jewish holiday Yom Kippur. "Yom Kippur is a black day today," declared the Federal Minister of the Interior. According to information from security circles, the perpetrator dropped homemade explosives in front of the temple. Apparently, however, no member of the Jewish community died.

    According to US Ambassador Richard Grenell, ten Americans were also in the synagogue at the time of the deadly shots. "Everyone is safe and unharmed," Grenell wrote on Twitter.


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    The main reason there were no more victims is because the door of the synagogue and the lock were strong. Had he been able to shoot his way into the synagogue, there would have been a massacre even before his weapons jammed.

    I haven't seen the entire video, nor would I want that, only the part where he shoots at the door and that door stands strong. Whoever made that door and that lock did an excellent job. The Jewish community came prepared of course, that is the sad state of affairs in Europe these days.

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    picture via Bild liveblog Anschlag Halle – Liveticker: Bundesanwaltschaft stellt Haftbefehl
     
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    'Loner' Yom Kippur shooter posted manifesto about killing 'anti-whites' in Germany a week ago | Daily Mail Online

    Balliet's father, who was not named, told Bild that his son was an angry young man who 'was not at peace with himself or with the world, and always blamed everyone else' for his problems.

    It was also revealed that Balliet posted a manifesto online a week ago where he specifically talks about attacking the synagogue in Halle while outlining his plan to kill 'anti-whites', including Jews.

    In the wake of the attack, Jewish community leaders criticised German authorities for failing to do enough to combat rising anti-Semitism, while demanding round-the-clock security for Jewish sites in the country.

    'The fact that, 75 years after the Holocaust, such groups are gaining influence in Germany speaks volumes,' Ronald Lauder, head of the World Jewish Congress, said.


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    This characteristic is probably the most common core characteristic of lone wolf terror attacks of any political or religious orientation. Even when the lone wolves are not young, but middle aged, they often have that core characteristic.
     
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    And what about the kebab shop, if his gun hadn't been jammed, how many would he been able to kill there? Luckily there were only one victim killed there, but that shooting seems to be more or less totally ignored, as if that victim isn't as important.
     
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    That door took a lot of bullets and he could not use those on anyone.

    There is very little info about the two victims.

    Anschlag in Halle: Opfer sind identifiziert

    The fact that there is so much attention for the synagogue has IMO to do with the horrible German history of antisemitism. I am a bit cynical about this. I have followed many terrorist attacks in Germany in the recent years, and with every jihadist attack, Angela Merkel was nowhere to be seen. Or even went on holiday as if nothing had happened. After this attack, she immediately visits the synagogue in Berling, with a grave face. This is of course the right thing to do but it does not erase the image of selective concern that surrounds her actions and the lack thereof.
     
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    Aanslagpleger Halle bekent: hij wilde groot bloedbad aanrichten

    The 27-year-old man suspected of the terrorist attack in Halle has confessed his deed. He also told the police that he had a right-wing extremist motive.

    On Wednesday the German shot two people near a synagogue. He wanted to cause a large massacre, but he was unable to enter the synagogue. His weapon also faltered several times.

    Because he couldn't open the entrance door to the grounds of the house of prayer, he walked away. Then he shot 40-year-old Jana on the street and 20-year-old Kevin at a doner's shop. Not much later he was arrested.

    A manifesto that the perpetrator posted on a forum shows that he was targeting Jews. He was aiming to kill them in particular.

    After the attack, the German police also found 4 kilos of explosives and numerous ignition mechanisms in the man's car.

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    Additionally noting similarity to mass shooters who participate in online platforms like 4chan, etc:

    The alleged German synagogue shooter referenced the chans in livestream that was shared on 4chan nearly 300 times

    These guys are all the same. They’re root is hatred imo and they take out their own darkness out on innocent people.
     
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    Good point.

    The same technology that makes this forum possible allows for other forums to disseminate extremist propaganda across the globe and as you implied, incites some who otherwise would have been life long angry, but non violent losers into committing actual terrorist acts.

    But, I don't think it needs to be that way. Articles posted here imply that even forum owners with relatively sophisticated, or truly sophisticated computer skills and resources (ie their own servers etc) are still dependent on internet hosting services.

    The near total dependency might be demonstrated by the fact that a silicon valley engineer running an extremist forum evidently could not create his own hosting services. He then agreed to moderate his site per requirements from a host. Likewise, I think even Jihadis (whose ranks include telecommunication and software engineers and who have a lot of financial resources) seem to need hosting services as well as they favor pre-existing social media platforms.

    In short, with out hosting services, all, or nearly all of the extremist forums will whither away. Those providing the hosting services need to be pressured to withdraw them.
     
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    Opfer zweiter Klasse: Kein Politiker spricht über Jana L. und Kevin S., die eigentlichen Halle-Opfer › Jouwatch

    Second class victims: no politician mentions Jana L. und Kevin S., the real victims of Halle


    Halle/Saale - At all times, staged expressions of condolence from politicians have been at the service of the reasons of state. "State mourning" was exploited according to opportunism, which fits in well with the contemporary ideal. After Halle, it's the same again: the German victims Jana L. and Kevin S. don't fit into the desired sacrificial pattern, so no politician mourns them.

    Concern is always a matter for politicians when the victims fit into the concept. As martyrs, the following are particularly well suited nowadays: Muslim attack victims (if the perpetrators are not Muslims themselves), Jewish attack victims (if the perpetrators are not Muslims), Turks and German Turks (if the perpetrators are not Turks themselves). "Giving the victims a face" this postulate was realized with the Turkish merchants murdered by the "NSU" as well as with the attack victims of Christchurch.

    In contrast, in the case of bio-German collateral damage to the welcome culture, which has been present here for some time, the reluctance of top German politicians to make funeral gestures is conspicuous - and has long been notorious. Just think of Merkel's embarrassingly narrow-lipped statements about the attack on Berlin's Breitscheidplatz, or just now again, after Limburg. But wait a moment: there was also a chance for adequate public appreciation for German victims - if the perpetrator was right-wing extremist; with such killers even Germans can be mourned. This would probably also have been the case with the attack in Halle, where two completely uninvolved Germans were the (fortunately only) victims of a hateful madman. But because they lost their lives somewhere between the synagogue and the kebab shop, especially critical hotspots of the dark German danger zone, they were the very first to be forgotten.

    Certainly, the perpetrator wanted to kill Jews above all, and if chance and a partially defective weapon had not prevented him from doing so, we would have a massacre to lament today. And yet it remains a mild but undeniable fact that the only two victims were two Germans - and up to this hour no German politician has even uttered a word of remembrance about these two individuals. While Merkel held "remonstrations" in Berlin and soon every minister, every state politician and every second-ranking politician expressed his solidarity with the Jewish community, none of them spoke a word of mourning for Jana L. and Kevin S.; hardly a word of condolence to relatives came from their lips or Twitter channels. Friends, colleagues and relatives of the victims are not heard in the media either. Instead, up to the point of vomiting: Interviews with Michel Friedmann. Interviews with Charlotte Knobloch. All good, all important - but these are not the victims.

    Thus the bizarre situation arose that it is now celebrities and a football club of all people who, on their own initiative, keep alive the memory of the true victims of Halle and put them in the public eye: Jana L. was an enthusiastic Schlagerfan, who enthusiastically sought proximity to the artists at countless concerts, wrote to them on the Internet and met them. Many had themselves photographed with her, the photos circulating on Instagram and Facebook now become a valuable memory gallery that also reminds the stars of their encounters with the fun-loving 40-year-old: Andrea Berg, Anna-Carina Woitschak and Stefan Mross, Ella Endlich, ex-"No Angel" Lucy Diakovksa or Sarah Connor - they all sincerely mourn the loss of a true fan and ensure with their public souvenirs that the plan of politics does not work out, that insignificant, because "only" German victims are left to oblivion, in order instead to cultivate other, "more suitable" types of victims.

    And Hallescher FC, whose enthusiastic supporter was Kevin S. from Merseburg, showed what true solidarity is: the fan curve of the third-league football team placed a mourning notice, and two big fan clubs of the club, "Liberta Crew" and "Domfalken Merseburg", publicly mourned the 20-year-old man on the net. His mother has had to watch the murder of her own son on video.

    Meanwhile, neither the federal government nor Saxony-Anhalt politicians consider it necessary to address the two murdered compatriots. They are far too busy to polish up their own image through phrases of concern and hypocritical solidarity with threatened religious minorities (although one does not necessarily have to exclude the other). And, what is of course much more important than the mourning for Jana L. and Kevin S.: to blame the atrocities committed in Halle on the AfD. Because the rule is: "After the assassination is before the state elections."


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    Tichy's Einblick: "It is an unusual letter with which the Jewish Community of Halle turns to the public after the attack: They reject "political instrumentalization" and any form of hatred - even the supposedly "politically correct" ones."


    Antisemitischer Anschlag am Jom Kippur in Halle


    Anti-Semitic attack on Yom Kippur in Halle


    The anti-Semitic and inhuman terrorist attack on the day of Yom Kippur in Halle (Saale) has shocked our community, as well as the entire city, and has caused deep mourning. We would like to thank the numerous people from Halle and other places in Germany, Israel, Europe and the whole world, known and unknown to us, who expressed their solidarity. The words we read in e-mails, WhatsApp and Facebook messages are very important to us. Show us that we can be a part of this society and that the murderer of 9 October remains in an absolute minority with his hate ideology and bestial brutality.

    On October 9, several innocent people became victims of this hate idea, two of them lost their lives... Our community is in deepest sorrow. We will say a special prayer for these people in the synagogue at the upcoming Shabbat Gospel Service. We do not know the relatives of the victims, but we would like to express how much it pains us to know what happened to their families that day. If we can help in any way, we are always available from the bottom of our hearts. We also wish the injured victims of this terrorist attack a speedy recovery. And we wish all those who were directly affected by this bestial assassin during his bloody journey through the streets of Halle and the Saalkreis the quickest possible processing of what happened.

    Unfortunately, there are already attempts by some political forces to misuse the sad events of the attack for their own political ends. We can only repeat what we have said before: The real enemy is hatred. No matter against whom, whether against Jews, Christians or Muslims - Sunnis or Shiites - or also against atheists or agnostics, against women or men, against people with or without disabilities, against the sick or the healthy, against people who are supposedly too intelligent or not intelligent enough, against the rich or the poor. But also against those who exercise certain professions, e.g. in the coal industry, in the Bundeswehr or in the police; against SUV drivers or cyclists. The word TOLERANCE should be placed above one's own views and above all above one's own actions. The political abuse of the victims of the terrorist attack in Halle makes us even sadder.

    We Jews are optimists. Given our history, we have no choice. We believe in the Almighty and Merciful G*d. And we believe in the people created by Him, who stand in absolute majority for Him and not for evil!


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