Germany Germany - Ingolstadt/Bavaria, Boy, 5-6,110 cm tall, 15kg, brown hair and blood type O, spent time outside Germany, found in Danube River, May'22

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A deceased child was found in the Danube in Upper Bavaria. The identity and cause of death of the preschool-aged boy are still unclear.
 
''The Ingolstadt criminal police formed an investigation team to clarify the background. According to the information, it was still unclear whether the little boy fell victim to a crime. Several media had previously reported that it was a dead child. According to "Bild", the body of the four to six-year-old boy was wrapped in a plastic bag. However, the police did not provide any information on this. The "Donaukurier" reported, citing the investigators, that there is currently no missing person in the area of the police headquarters in Upper Bavaria North that would fit the dead boy.


A canoeist saw something floating in the Danube at a barrage near Vohburg on the Danube in the Pfaffenhofen district on Thursday and brought it ashore with his paddle. It wasn't until the weekend that it became clear that it was a human body. This suggests that the dead boy was already badly decomposed.

The corpse is now to be examined further by forensic doctors in Munich. In particular, the investigations are intended to provide clues as to the cause of death and provide clues as to the origin of the child. The criminal investigation group "Fluvius" (Latin for river) also wants to use search measures to find out where the boy may have died or at least got into the Danube. For this purpose, the water above the site was searched this Monday. Police divers and other officials on a boat had already examined the current and the shore there over the weekend.''
 
Aus Donau geborgene Leiche ist die eines Kindes - Kripo sucht nach Spuren

A body recovered from the Donau in Upper Bavaria a few days ago is that of a child. As the police reported on Monday, the autopsy revealed that the body was that of a boy of pre-school age. "The identity of the child has not yet been clarified," the investigators reported. "No statements can be made about the circumstances of death at this time either."

The Ingolstadt criminal police formed an investigation team to clarify the background. However, it is still unclear whether the boy was the victim of a crime.

The "Donaukurier" reported with reference to the investigators that there was currently no missing person case in the area of the police headquarters of Upper Bavaria North that would fit the dead boy.

The corpse will be further examined by forensic experts in Munich. In particular, the investigations are expected to provide clues as to the cause of death and the origin of the child.


BBM
 
Vohburg: Bub verpackt aus Donau gezogen - davon geht die Polizei aus


Presumably, the dead body had been lying in the Donau for some time. "At the moment, we assume that the boy has been in the water for a longer period of time," Graf explained. However, the period of time could not yet be narrowed down. The place where the child entered the river is presumably between the place where he was found near Vohburg and the preceding barrage near Ingolstadt - it is a section of the river about 15 kilometres long. "Under certain circumstances, it is possible that a natural death was the cause," said a police spokesman.

In the immediate vicinity, dogs were also used to search more intensively, Graf reported. But also the extended area in the middle of the city had been searched by rescue officers and boats. However, no concrete new traces were discovered on Monday.


Now the investigators hope that the forensic doctors in Munich will be able to provide further clues. However, the detailed examinations after the autopsy will take longer. The police do not expect further results until next week. Among other things, it will be examined whether traces of violence can be found on the body. So far it is unclear whether the child was killed or died naturally.

For the time being, the search is over. Now the police are hoping for more witnesses. Suspicious observations should be reported. "So that we know where it happened and at what time."


BBM
 
Vohburg: Kripo überprüft nach Leichenfund weitere Vermisstenfälle

Criminal Police investigates other missing persons cases after the discovery of a corpse

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After the discovery of a dead boy in the Donau, the Kripo is investigating more than a dozen missing persons cases from Germany and abroad.


According to the investigators, the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of the child in question are being examined in detail in the cases that could be connected to the body that was found in the river.

In Bavaria alone, 16 missing persons cases are being investigated, the police reported on Friday. In addition, cases of missing boys in the rest of Germany as well as in neighbouring countries are also being investigated, a police spokesperson said. Enquiries are currently underway. The police did not yet give a concrete number of possible further missing persons cases.

Last week, a kayaker discovered the body of a four to six year old boy in the river near Vohburg in Upper Bavaria (Pfaffenhofen/Ilm district). The dead boy was wrapped and had been lying in the water for some time. "The canoeist definitely assumed it was meat that was wrapped," said a police spokesperson. "Then the police were immediately notified."

The Ingolstadt Criminal Investigation Department has formed an investigation group "Fluvius" (Latin for river) with more than ten officers. However, they do not want to commit themselves to a crime yet. The investigators are waiting for further findings from the forensic medical examination of the child's body, which has not yet been completed.

In addition, there will be another search in the Donau near Vohburg at the beginning of the coming week, probably on Tuesday. With the help of the equipment of the Technisches Hilfswerk, the Ingolstadt Criminal Investigation Department wants to search for further traces in the river.


BBM

Raise your hand if you saw this coming.... I did not. I wonder what it all means and I hope I am wrong.
 
@ZaZara If you're thinking what I'm thinking, maybe they are looking at the known cases of children who were taken by one parent away from the other (which is a type of abduction)?
I also wonder if he is a child who simply hasn't been noticed as missing yet, because he's too young for school.
 
@ZaZara If you're thinking what I'm thinking, maybe they are looking at the known cases of children who were taken by one parent away from the other (which is a type of abduction)?
I also wonder if he is a child who simply hasn't been noticed as missing yet, because he's too young for school.

If this was a parental abduction, IMO LE would be aware.

I wonder if this child was reported missing at all, and if he was registered in Germany or if his family were / are living there illegally.
 
Toter Junge aus der Donau: Das sind die ersten Obduktions-Ergebnisse


The mystery of the dead boy from the Donau continues.

A week ago Thursday, a canoeist discovered the remains of a human being in the river Donau. They were floating not far from the barrage in Vohburg (Pfaffenhofen district). The water sportsman had brought the body to the river bank with a paddle.

The dead body was a boy aged between four and six years. This is the result of the post-mortem examination in Munich's forensic medicine department. Cruel: According to BILD, the corpse was wrapped in plastic foil.

BILD knows the first results of the autopsy: According to BILD information, no bullet or stab wounds were found on the corpse. The corpse was in too bad a condition to detect stasis bleeding in the eyes due to possible strangulation. The body had been in the water for a long time.

Forensic experts are currently investigating whether force was used against the neck. Another important investigation: Was the boy poisoned or killed with other substances? A corresponding analysis is still pending.

The investigators are mainly concerned with the question: Where did the boy die and where was he thrown into the water? Investigations have shown that the boy, who was wrapped in foil, was able to cross dams without any problems. Therefore, he could have been thrown into the water in other federal states as well.

Next Monday, the search will be continued in and along the Donau. At that time, a sonar device will also be used, with which objects can be made visible under water. A sonar search had to be called off on Tuesday morning due to bad weather. Due to underwater currents, no clear image could be obtained.

BBM


The initial search area was only 15 kms long. If the body was able to pass dams..... the distance from Vohburg to the source of the Donau is over 300 kms PLUS the rivers Lech and Iller are tributaries before the Donau reaches Vohburg.
 
Vohburg: Kinderleiche in Donau entdeckt - wurde der tote Junge nie vermisst?

After the discovery of a dead boy in the Donau, the CID is investigating numerous missing persons cases from Germany and abroad. The police compare the case with 16 other cases from Bavaria alone.

The identity of the dead boy is still completely unclear, as are the circumstances of his death. Especially sad: no one seems to be looking for him - was he never reported missing?

After the discovery of a child's body wrapped in plastic in the Donau near Vohburg, the criminal police are investigating several missing persons cases from Bavaria, the rest of Germany and even from abroad. It is still completely unclear where the boy was killed and thrown into the river - theoretically, it could have happened hundreds of kilometres further upstream. The body, wrapped in foil, could have been washed through several barrages.

The question to be answered is whether the 4-6 year old boy was ever reported missing at all. Can it really be that nobody is looking for the child? At least so far, there seems to have been no reaction from any relatives to the nationwide media coverage. The identification of the boy is difficult because, according to the police, the body had been lying in the water for a long time.

Investigators are currently examining the bottom of the Donau with modern sonar equipment. Hopes of finding further traces there were dashed by bad weather, and the search had to be suspended for a while.


BBM
 
Rätsel um toten Bub aus der Donau: Polizei bittet um Mithilfe

According to the police, officers were on the banks of the Donau between the Ingolstadt and Vohburg barrages last Saturday and questioned passers-by. The police have already received more than 20 tips from the public, these are currently still being reviewed.

The child of pre-school age has not yet been identified. According to the police, the result of the forensic medical examination is also not yet available. The investigators are looking into dozens of missing persons cases and are still calling for information from the public.

Anyone who has noticed anything suspicious between the Ingolstadt and Vohburg barrages since around the beginning of spring is asked to come forward. Information can be called into the Ingolstadt Criminal Investigation Department on 0841/93430.

The search will also continue in the Donau. As soon as the weather permits, a sonar device will be used to search for traces under water. On Thursday, the police plan to examine the containers at the barrages. The waste washed up on the rakes is collected in these containers.

BBM


So what are they looking for? A bag or a case perhaps?
 
Rätsel um toten Bub aus der Donau: Polizei bittet um Mithilfe

According to the police, officers were on the banks of the Donau between the Ingolstadt and Vohburg barrages last Saturday and questioned passers-by. The police have already received more than 20 tips from the public, these are currently still being reviewed.

The child of pre-school age has not yet been identified. According to the police, the result of the forensic medical examination is also not yet available. The investigators are looking into dozens of missing persons cases and are still calling for information from the public.

Anyone who has noticed anything suspicious between the Ingolstadt and Vohburg barrages since around the beginning of spring is asked to come forward. Information can be called into the Ingolstadt Criminal Investigation Department on 0841/93430.

The search will also continue in the Donau. As soon as the weather permits, a sonar device will be used to search for traces under water. On Thursday, the police plan to examine the containers at the barrages. The waste washed up on the rakes is collected in these containers.

BBM


So what are they looking for? A bag or a case perhaps?

An update from the same report with a few new details. Autopsy is still pending :

The search for evidence and clues is also to be continued in the Donau. As soon as the weather permits, a highly sensitive sonar device will be used to search for traces under water - also on the river bed. This failed last week with a standard device because the water was too turbulent for it. According to the police headquarters of Upper Bavaria North, divers will also be deployed.


BBM


IMO, they are looking for a heavy object, perhaps a bag or a case, weighted with stones or metal, for instance. I guess the plastic wrappings would have been damaged if the body had been swept by the river over a distance of many kms and over dams, so maybe that did not happen.
 
Toter Bub in der Donau: Neue Spekulationen der Ermittler zur Herkunft

Dead boy in the Donau: New speculations of the investigators on the origin of the body

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After the discovery of a dead four to six year old boy in the river Donau near the Upper Bavarian town of Vohburg, the criminal investigation department ended another search operation on Thursday morning without any results. Meanwhile, new speculations are being voiced.

On Thursday, the flotsam collected by the grate of the barrage was examined by sniffer dogs in order to look for possible pieces of evidence. The trash collector of the barrage is used to sieve objects out of the river so that the foreign objects do not damage the power plant technology.

Furthermore, members of the Technical Relief Organisation navigated the Donau in front of the barrage with a boat equipped with sonar and an underwater camera.
The police had to stop a first operation last week because the water was too turbulent. The technology could possibly locate suspicious objects at the bottom of the river. However, police spokesman Michael Graf reported that nothing was found after the operation.

The CID does not want to commit itself to a crime, but has formed an investigation team for the case. The dead boy was probably thrown into the Donau between Ingolstadt and Vohburg.

The police also do not rule out that the body was thrown into the river from a bridge on the A9.
This is theoretically conceivable, but so far only a speculation, said police spokesman Michael Graf. "It is one of many possibilities." This is another reason why the cases of missing children from neighbouring countries are also being checked, he added. The checks on children missing in Bavaria are also underway, a police spokeswoman confirmed.

BBM


Video with today's searches at link.
If I heard it well through the loud noises in the background, the police spokeswoman said that 9 of the 16 missing cases from Bavaria still have to be checked. That would mean 7 exclusions sofar.
 
Toter Bub in der Donau: Polizei sucht Zeugen mittels Flugblatt

The criminal investigation into the child's body recovered from the Donau near Vohburg (district of Pfaffenhofen an der Ilm) has continued unabated over the past few days.

Over the course of two days, officers of the Ingolstadt task force questioned walkers, cyclists and water sports enthusiasts who were in the area between the Ingolstadt and Vohburg barrages. This measure, as reported by the Ingolstadt police department on Thursday, "unfortunately did not yield any new findings".

During the course of Thursday, leaflets were distributed to local fishing and water sports clubs, according to a press spokesman for Ingolstadt police headquarters between the Vohburg and Ingolstadt barrages, Ingolstadt clubs included. "This is to ensure that all potential informants are informed about the discovery of the body." Since, among other things, the identity of the dead boy could not yet be clarified - despite intensive work by the Institute of Forensic Medicine - the criminal police are "urgently dependent on relevant information from the public". According to the police spokesperson, the investigating authority expects to receive initial results from the forensic medicine institute in the coming week.

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The police continue to ask for information: " Members of the public who have made unusual observations or other suspicious sightings in the area of the Donau between the barrages Ingolstadt and Vohburg since the beginning of spring are asked to report them under the telephone number: (0841) 9343-0."


BBM
 
It could be a case that no-one is looking for the boy, because whoever dumped him in the river were his parents/caregivers.

There have been some children found in the river Thames in London that have been killed by their families (who are African immigrants) as voodoo/curse rituals.
I'm not saying that is the case here though.

by th way, wrapping a child before placing them in the river is unusual, no?

MOO.
 
I don't think it's unusual and could have been part of an attempt to weigh him down so he'd sink?

Could be. Although it doesn't bear thinking about. Poor child.

I'm sure the death wasn't natural, otherwise, why cover it up and hide the body?

If the authorities release any details of the post-mortem report to the public, I hope they include whether any abuse or trauma has occured.
 
Kinder-Leiche in der Donau bei Vohburg: Interview zum Stand der Ermittlungen


Child's body in the Donau near Vohburg: Interview on the status of the investigation

The dead boy "had probably been in the water for several weeks", according to a police spokesman in an extensive interview with our editors.


On 19 May, the wrapped body of a four to six year old boy was found in the Donau near Großmehring, between the Ingolstadt and Vohburg barrages. Since then, the police have been conducting intensive investigations in all directions - a homicide has still not been ruled out. "The body was probably in the water for several weeks," the police head office of Upper Bavaria North told our newspaper. Forensic examinations are still underway and are expected to provide further information. The identity of the boy and the circumstances of his death are still unclear. There are also no answers to other important questions. What is the current state of the investigation in this sensational case? In a comprehensive interview with our editorial staff, a police spokesperson explains and summarises.

After the discovery of a wrapped child's body in the Donau between Großmehring and Vohburg, the investigations are running at full speed, as has been explained several times. An investigation group called Fluvis has been formed. How many people does this investigation group currently consist of? Are they all police officers? What exactly is meant by "investigations are in full swing"?

"The core of the Fluvius investigation group consists of nine police officers who are working intensively on this case and are carrying out or initiating all necessary measures to clarify it. They are joined by specialists from other departments and authorities whenever necessary. One example is the Bavarian State Criminal Police Office (LKA). During the searches on and in the Donau, up to 45 police officers were deployed at peak times. In addition, the police were supported by forces from other emergency organisations such as the Ingolstadt fire brigade and the Ingolstadt technical relief organisation."

How and with what was the body packed when it was discovered by the canoeist?

"It is correct that the boy's body was wrapped at the time it was found. Further details in this regard cannot be made public for investigative tactical reasons, since these details are the knowledge of the perpetrator."

At first, it was not even clear that human remains were involved. Soon it was reported, citing forensic medical examinations, that it was a boy who lived to be four to six years old. Are there any more detailed findings on this in the meantime?

"The autopsy of the body was carried out at the Institute of Forensic Medicine in Munich on 20 May 2022, the day after it was found. This was carried out as a priority and as quickly as possible. In addition to determining the sex, forensic medicine also succeeded in narrowing down the age of the boy. The body had probably been in the water for several weeks. Further information, for example on the boy's origin, is currently not available. The forensic medical examinations have not yet been completed."

From the beginning, it was important for the investigators to clarify the identity of the child. Are there any concrete findings on this yet? Has the boy's identity been clarified in the meantime?

"There are no findings on the boy's identity so far."

In this context, cases of missing persons on record from all over Germany and from neighbouring countries are being checked. In the region, it was explained, there is in any case no corresponding case. Is that correct?

"It is correct that there is currently no police-known missing person case in the area of the Upper Bavaria North Police Headquarters that can be linked to the discovery of the body. Cases of missing persons are still being investigated throughout Bavaria and Germany. In addition, enquiries are made to foreign authorities. Europol, among others, is also involved here."

Initially, it had been reported that in 16 open cases of missing persons throughout Bavaria, which could be significant for this case, the closer circumstances of the disappearance and possible connections are being examined. In the meantime, it has been added that these 16 cases could be narrowed down to nine possibly relevant cases. Is there any more recent information on this? What is the status of the review of missing persons cases from other federal states? How is the investigation of missing persons cases from neighbouring countries progressing? Have there been any concrete findings in this regard?

"There is currently no new information on the nine Bavarian cases that are still being examined. Some of the enquiries have not yet been answered, which is necessary in order to be able to evaluate the respective case. Results that have emerged as a result of database queries in Germany and abroad must be checked with regard to the body found in the Donau and subsequently, at least in part, also individually compared with the responsible departments. "

To what extent can one narrow down to date where the packed corpse had entered the Donau? Where exactly was it found then?


"At the moment, only the place where the body was found in the Danube can be determined with certainty. It is located at Großmehring between the Ingolstadt and Vohburg barrages. Expert opinions or reports that narrow down the location of the dumping - for example by taking into account current speeds or water levels - are still pending."

Several times it was stated that further forensic examinations are underway. Have further concrete findings emerged in the meantime, for example on the circumstances of death and the cause of death? When, how, where and how did the boy die? Are there any more detailed findings on this in the meantime? When, where, how and why did the body get into the water? These questions also need to be answered. Are there any findings in this regard yet?

"So far, no new findings have emerged on these questions."


Time and again it has been said that investigations are underway in all directions and that a homicide has not been ruled out. Is that still true? And simply asked: What is the case currently being investigated for?

"Yes, that still applies. Since the causes that led to the boy's death have not yet been determined, the investigators are thinking in all directions. The goals are to find out the circumstances of the death, but also the identity of the boy. Since the beginning of the investigation, the criminal police measures have been so far-reaching that they can be used as evidence in any kind of investigative procedure. The fact that the cause of the child's death has not yet been determined does not inhibit the nature and extent of the measures to be taken by the criminal police."

How many tips have been received from the public so far? Have there been any concrete leads or even a hot lead?

"So far, around 40 tips from the public have been received by the Ingolstadt Criminal Investigation Department. Some of them are still being examined. At the moment, no breakthrough and thus no hot lead for the investigation is emerging from these reports."

The police are still asking for information from the public. What is particularly important to the investigators?

"Since it cannot be ruled out that especially walkers, water sports enthusiasts, anglers or cyclists have made observations in the area of the Donau that are connected to this case, the investigators are also turning to this group of people: Who has made observations in the area of the Donau between the barrages Ingolstadt and Vohburg since the beginning of spring that could be of importance for the investigators? We could think of conspicuous vehicles on the banks, boats, but also persons who have behaved suspiciously on bridges, for example." Information can be obtained from the Ingolstadt police at (08 41) 93 43 - 0 or from any other police station.


BBM
 
Entdeckung von Kinderleiche: Weiter keine heiße Spur

Vohburg (dpa/lby) - More than a month after the discovery of a child's body in the River Donau, investigators still have no concrete lead to a possible perpetrator. The examination of the corpse by forensic experts in Munich is also taking longer than initially hoped by the criminal investigation department. As a result, it is still unclear how the boy, who was about four to six years old, lost his life.

In particular, the forensic experts are to clarify whether the pre-school child was killed through violence. According to the police headquarters in Ingolstadt, the results of these investigations are still pending. The police have not made any progress with the 40 or so tips they have received from the public. "At the moment, there is no breakthrough from these reports and thus no hot lead for the investigation," a spokesperson said.

BBM
 
Kinderleiche in Donau: Kripo prüft 100 Vermisstenfälle


About two and a half months after the discovery of a child's body in the river Donau, the criminal investigation department still has no lead to a possible perpetrator. The identity of the boy is also still completely unclear. According to current information, the boy is a preschooler between four and six years old.

According to the Ingolstadt police headquarters, numerous missing persons cases in Germany and abroad are still being investigated in order to possibly find a clue to the dead child. "Currently, more than 100 missing persons cases are being investigated in this context throughout Germany," police spokesman Michael Graf told the Deutsche Presse-Agentur.

For the cases from neighbouring countries, the authorities there are investigating whether there could be a connection. So far, however, no relevant case from abroad has been forwarded to the investigators in Ingolstadt.


The examination of the body by forensic experts in Munich is also ongoing. The investigators hope that the doctors will be able to provide clues as to how the little boy died. For this purpose, the forensic doctors are looking for traces that indicate the use of violence.

BBM
 

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