Found Deceased Germany - Liam Colgan, 29, Scottish tourist, Hamburg, 10 Feb 2018

Discussion in 'Located Persons Discussion' started by gregjrichards, Feb 11, 2018.

  1. RosalindaA

    RosalindaA Well-Known Member

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    I know, I can't think of any cases off the top of my head of women drowning under such circumstances. I know the couple of times I have been seriously inebriated I either felt extremely sick, or actually couldn't walk properly. Luckily I was with friends both times, especially luckily when they helped me get up 3 flights of stairs to get home. But at no time did it really affect the way I was thinking or perceived things or dangers.

    I think my body, unaccustomed to alcohol, just wouldn't physically let me consume the amounts that would get me to that state. And although some young women today seem to drink vastly more than my generation, it's a fact that most females generally probably couldn't tolerate the amounts men drink. And I think we all react to various substances differently. I also think it's a confidence thing, most women/girls will gravitate towards their friends whereas men think, no, I'll try and get somewhere.

    My ex (English), when stationed in the army in Germany, near Hanover, used to regularly go out drinking heavily with army friends, get split up somehow with them and end up walking miles and miles home on his own in an area he had no knowledge of, very drunk (would ring me to tell me how he was getting on). When Corrie McKeague went missing , it reminded me very much of what could have happened to him.

    There is a condition called (post) - micturition syncope, fainting after urination due to a sudden loss of blood pressure, although usually seen in older men, obviously more of a problem because if male you will likely be standing, not sitting/squatting. But a lot of alcohol and possibly emitting a large volume of urine (which is likely in these situations) is not going to help. I just wish in general people would be more wary of alcohol, it can make you so vulnerable to all sorts of bad occurrences. It's a really severe problem amongst young people in Britain now.
     


  2. KAE

    KAE Well-Known Member

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    BBM
    There was the case of Megan Roberts who was out drinking with friends in York, UK and was later found in the river.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11134449/Student-Megan-Roberts-drowned-in-river-after-drinking-games.html

    There was a thread for her on Websleuths at the time, but I can't seem to find it. It may have been deleted for some reason.
    I did find the Media-Timeline thread:
    https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?234101-UK-Megan-Roberts-20-York-23-Jan-2014-Media-Timeline
     
  3. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-43096422
     
  4. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    Do men routinely get their drinks spiked? I can see it happening in a gay bar maybe, but in a normal bar men drug women, surely?
     
  5. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    He would need his passport to re-enter the UK which is outside of the Schengen Zone, but once within the Zone, which most of mainland Europe is, you can travel without needing to show any ID at the borders because the borders don't really exist now.
     
  6. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    Ah, I see the question is whether he had his passport on him when he went out that evening (or whether he would have left it at the hostel/hotel).
     
  7. ElementalLaura

    ElementalLaura Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    RBBM. Seems odd. Just saying. MOO
     
  8. Elainera

    Elainera Well-Known Member

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    I also find it very odd. Maybe there's something the manager doesn't want to be viewed by police. Not necessarily to do with Liam but other things going on in his bar. Surely there must be a way to get into the system without a password? LE forensics could do it I would think? jmo
     
  9. DakotaMayi

    DakotaMayi Former Member

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    Yes, very odd. I really would be surprised if the only way to view that surveillance footage is this one guy remembering this one password.
     
  10. DakotaMayi

    DakotaMayi Former Member

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    Well, this is positive. You can never put too much weight into just one person stating they have seen a misper. But four. That's good. It seems as if they might just be one step behind him.
     
  11. IHAVENOCLUE

    IHAVENOCLUE Well-Known Member

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  12. IHAVENOCLUE

    IHAVENOCLUE Well-Known Member

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    Hinky, Yes? :thinking:

    I CERTAINLY hope technologists can get into that CCTV system!!!:please:
     
  13. cybervampira

    cybervampira Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that‘s odd. I can‘t see though how cctv footage from inside the bar would help here when there’s supposedly cctv footage of Liam outside the bar walking towards the subway station.

    I hope they are still evaluating other cctv sources. Unlike Britain, Germany‘s privacy laws around public video surveillance are very restrictive.
     
  14. DAnthrplgst

    DAnthrplgst Active Member

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    If they can break into a guys computer to find kiddie porn that was deleted 5 years ago, I'm sure they can break into some bar computer to retrieve CCTV footage.
     
  15. eucalyptuz

    eucalyptuz Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if he could have been forcibly removed from the bar by a bouncer? If there was a scuffle Liam may have been injured...perhaps the bar wants to avoid any implication...
     
  16. gregjrichards

    gregjrichards Well-Known Member

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    It seems suspicious to me perhaps the manager does not want to reveal nefarious activity in the bar like drug taking etc.
     
  17. Darling136

    Darling136 Forum Coordinator Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    Exactly my thinking, thanks for writing!
     
  18. flute4peace

    flute4peace Well-Known Member

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    Unless something happened to him inside rhe bar that could have affected his actions later

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  19. Elainera

    Elainera Well-Known Member

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    Or footage could show someone following him?
     
  20. cybervampira

    cybervampira Well-Known Member

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    I hope they get can put the pieces of the puzzle together. Given his friends‘ account of him being very intoxicated, I fear the worst but anything is possible. Media attention is very high and everyone wants to know what happened. There are many volunteers helping, distributing posters and searching in groups. People in Hamburg have great sympathy for Liam and his family and friends and I can imagine they won‘t rest until this mystery is solved.
     

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