Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #5

[frank-cole]

I look forward to seeing how the prosecution bring these coincidences into their case.

Many tend to sleuth on a sleuthing platform. What do you make of the coincidence that CB re-registered his car on the 4/5/07? I’m not asking for a defence favourable shtick - I’m just interested in whether your opinion, or reluctance to give one, will be something other than I expect it to be.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

If they decide to list their concrete evidence in summary post charging it could effectively end the ‘who-done-it’ question. If he has photos of MM post abduction, then the majority of the public would think he was responsible. Obviously the clubs ‘fighting the cause’ wouldn't accept that. It’ll be about holding on to any strand that CB’s defence will bring & hoping it results in no charge, therefore clearing the way for ‘business as usual’. I never understand why the people ‘here for Madeleine’ are the very people

The more searches the better. Looking for Madeleine is a good thing, Denis.

Yes. No charges = CB not guilty(!) = someone else did it (!!).
I'm far from this.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

If they decide to list their concrete evidence in summary post charging it could effectively end the ‘who-done-it’ question. If he has photos of MM post abduction, then the majority of the public would think he was responsible. Obviously the clubs ‘fighting the cause’ wouldn't accept that. It’ll be about holding on to any strand that CB’s defence will bring & hoping it results in no charge, therefore clearing the way for ‘business as usual’. I never understand why the people ‘here for Madeleine’ are the very people

The more searches the better. Looking for Madeleine is a good thing, Denis.

In the absence of verbatim court transcripts it cannot be said that we have either seen or heard the evidence against CB in relation to the rapes and sexual assaults with which he was charged.

We don't even have an accurate chronology of the events from one stage of the somewhat lengthy trial to the next; due in part to the unfamiliar style of reporting the events.

Neither has the trial verdict been ratified until the appeal court decides whether or not to allow the requested appeal against the verdict which if successful, will require a new trial.

I’m not Sherlock Holmes but zero for five tells me the evidence wasn’t up to snuff!

 

[Davieson]

Many tend to sleuth on a sleuthing platform. What do you make of the coincidence that CB re-registered his car on the 4/5/07? I’m not asking for a defence favourable shtick - I’m just interested in whether your opinion, or reluctance to give one, will be something other than I expect it to be.

I consider them of no significance until there is shown to be a definite connection with MM
I look to the prosecution to provide this.

 

[Davieson]

Yes. No charges = CB not guilty(!) = someone else did it (!!).
I'm far from this.

It will be unfortunate if they don't bring charges as it will show that their evidence is inadequate, but we won't see what it is.
Such a situation will not in any way show what happened to MM

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I consider them of no significance until there is shown to be a definite connection with MM
I look to the prosecution to provide this.

Using coincidences to prove guilt is like pareidolia: if you look at clouds for long enough, you’ll see faces but they’re not actually there.

 

[RichardKimble]

Using coincidences to prove guilt is like pareidolia: if you look at clouds for long enough, you’ll see faces but they’re not actually there.

The re reg of the Jag shows exactly that, a ŕe reg wasn't there reports of the car being traced so forensics turned up nothing.

 

[Davieson]

The re reg of the Jag shows exactly that, a ŕe reg wasn't there reports of the car being traced so forensics turned up nothing.

This is why I'm interested to see how the prosecution integrate it into their narrative .

 

[RichardKimble]

This is why I'm interested to see how the prosecution integrate it into their narrative .

The vehicles won't be, nothing to link them.

 

[Davieson]

The vehicles won't be, nothing to link them.

I don't think so either, which would make it just a bit of meaningless trivia.

 

[Mex]

I consider them of no significance until there is shown to be a definite connection with MM
I look to the prosecution to provide this.

You are jumping the gun on this; the five cases indicted and tried have not yet reached a conclusion until the appeal court judges have made their decision.
Until then the appropriate time for deciding if or when there will be an indictment in the MM case lies with the investigators.

One step at a time
My opinion

 

[frank-cole]

Yes. No charges = CB not guilty(!) = someone else did it (!!).
I'm far from this.

Yeah. People magically haven’t committed a crime if there isn’t enough evidence to convicted…..

It’s like taking every coincidence & trying to isolate it. These coincidences are known now - I expect the goalposts to continue to be conveniently tweaked in timing with them.

But what about that invisible freezer? That’s the hard evidence we need.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Yeah. People magically haven’t committed a crime if there isn’t enough evidence to convicted…..

It’s like taking every coincidence & trying to isolate it. These coincidences are known now - I expect the goalposts to continue to be conveniently tweaked in timing with them.

But what about that invisible freezer? That’s the hard evidence we need.

IMO it's remarkable how some people still think so superficially, isolating "mere" coincidences and all context about CB. And, believing in "No charges = CB not guilty(!) = someone else did it (!!)". Here, is there any other narrative or is it just about discrediting BKA?! Not forget, we are all just spectators!
And the clouds....the other way around, maybe the inspiring element to the exceptional bizarre theories others had and some may stick with.
Let's see how this will proceed. The appeal for other cases, I think it will be a 0. But still believing in some (few) chances BKA to bring charges to CB in MM case.

 

[Davieson]

IMO it's remarkable how some people still think so superficially, isolating "mere" coincidences and all context about CB. And, believing in "No charges = CB not guilty(!) = someone else did it (!!)". Here, is there any other narrative or is it just about discrediting BKA?! Not forget, we are all just spectators!
And the clouds....the other way around, maybe the inspiring element to the exceptional bizarre theories others had and some may stick with.
Let's see how this will proceed. The appeal for other cases, I think it will be a 0. But still believing in some (few) chances BKA to bring charges to CB in MM case.

That's all any of us can or need to do.
If it goes to trial, we get to see the evidence.
If it doesn't, then no one will ever know for sure what happened to MM and how and when she met her end.

 

[mrjitty]

IMO it's remarkable how some people still think so superficially, isolating "mere" coincidences and all context about CB. And, believing in "No charges = CB not guilty(!) = someone else did it (!!)".

RSBM.

To be fair, i haven't seen anything remotely approaching evidence CB is guilty. Mostly what I have seen is a bare accusation for HCW that he did a murder. I am willing to give that some weight out of deference to the institution. But i simply don't think it is accurate that we know of too many coincidences. IMO all we have is one claim of a confession, which has been put in the media - an alarming result - as we've just seen. I hope that isn't central from everyones sake because the courts won't like it.

MOO

 

[Davieson]

RSBM.

To be fair, i haven't seen anything remotely approaching evidence CB is guilty. Mostly what I have seen is a bare accusation for HCW that he did a murder. I am willing to give that some weight out of deference to the institution. But i simply don't think it is accurate that we know of too many coincidences. IMO all we have is one claim of a confession, which has been put in the media - an alarming result - as we've just seen. I hope that isn't central from everyones sake because the courts won't like it.

MOO

Even the confession is steeped in ambiguity. CB do not actually say he killed MM or even took her. That is the interpretation of the witness.

 

[mrjitty]

Even the confession is steeped in ambiguity. CB do not actually say he killed MM or even took her. That is the interpretation of the witness.

Yes - it is far from definitive.

 

[RichardKimble]

Even the confession is steeped in ambiguity. CB do not actually say he killed MM or even took her. That is the interpretation of the witness.

She didn't scream, he's repeating what's not been said, no one reported a scream, all context, so every ones a suspect because they repeat it under the influence?

 

[RichardKimble]

RSBM.

To be fair, i haven't seen anything remotely approaching evidence CB is guilty. Mostly what I have seen is a bare accusation for HCW that he did a murder. I am willing to give that some weight out of deference to the institution. But i simply don't think it is accurate that we know of too many coincidences. IMO all we have is one claim of a confession, which has been put in the media - an alarming result - as we've just seen. I hope that isn't central from everyones sake because the courts won't like it.

MOO

The media have by and large controlled or tried to control the narrative highlighted when SF said the BKA had found something belonging to MM, HCW had to deny this.

 

[frank-cole]

IMO it's remarkable how some people still think so superficially, isolating "mere" coincidences and all context about CB. And, believing in "No charges = CB not guilty(!) = someone else did it (!!)". Here, is there any other narrative or is it just about discrediting BKA?! Not forget, we are all just spectators!
And the clouds....the other way around, maybe the inspiring element to the exceptional bizarre theories others had and some may stick with.
Let's see how this will proceed. The appeal for other cases, I think it will be a 0. But still believing in some (few) chances BKA to bring charges to CB in MM case.

Tbh there’s no resistance like this on any other threads regarding missing people. It’s unique to the McCann case. The case is polarising & has created bizarre ‘communities’ & illogical theories.

I think the CB investigations are a road block to ‘business as usual’.

This case - from the off - has been very polarising - so we’ll all never be at a middle point & yielding balanced opinions. If one was anti-parents/conspiracy 5 years ago, one will be on these threads very unhappy with the Germans & denying coincidences. That’s what’s really going on, the noise is just fluffing around it.