Germany - Two killed as van plows into crowd in downtown Muenster, 7 April 2018

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Police have identified the alleged perpetrator, who raced into the fully occupied outside terrace of a restaurant with a VW camping bus on Saturday afternoon in downtown Münster, killing three guests and injuring 20 people. FAZ.NET learned from security circles that he was a 27-year-old man who lived not far from the crime scene. The man had shot himself after the crime at the wheel of the murder vehicle.

Specialists of the criminal police searched the man's apartment for explosives. According to previously unconfirmed information, the man, who originally came from the Sauerland region, is said to have been psychologically disturbed. What motive he had for his deed remains unclear for now.


BBM


He's getting younger....
 
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...laster-was-bislang-bekannt-ist-a-1201760.html


The background of the attack is still unclear. According to SPIEGEL information, the authorities still classify the crime as an attack. Police say the perpetrator shot himself after the attack. According to SPIEGEL information, it was the 48-year-old German Jens R. from Münster, who had already been psychologically disturbed in the past. Police are currently searching the graphic designer's apartment in downtown Münster. They also check for explosives.


BBM


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Police have identified the alleged perpetrator, who raced into the fully occupied outside terrace of a restaurant with a VW camping bus on Saturday afternoon in downtown Münster, killing three guests and injuring 20 people. FAZ.NET learned from security circles that he was a 27-year-old man who lived not far from the crime scene. The man had shot himself after the crime at the wheel of the murder vehicle.

Specialists of the criminal police searched the man's apartment for explosives. According to previously unconfirmed information, the man, who originally came from the Sauerland region, is said to have been psychologically disturbed. What motive he had for his deed remains unclear for now.


BBM


He's getting younger....

FAZ.net corrects the article:


As FAZ.NET learned from security circles, it concerns the 48-year-old man Jens R.. He was born on 1 May 1969 in Olsberg in Sauerland, but has been living in Münster for a long time. He lived about two kilometers from the location of the attack.


BBM
 
I am aware some of you always thing i go mental illness

this is depression suicide

he did not wait one second before he deposited his brain matter on his floorboard

don't know if the media is gonna go nuts ISIS nonsense

this IMO was depression suicide -- thats mental illiness

dont care if he yelled whatever in the name of ISIS

he did not do suicide by LE

he was not wearing a blow himslef up vest

he ran over people and within seconds he blew his brains away

depression and suicide
and mental illness

I will never forget Nice short clip it is instinctive in a car not to crash he kept going and going and the noise were horrid

horrid bad dreams wish i never heard it

mental illness depression ready to kill himself moo and in this environment why not

don't know his name if it is muhammad lets not go there pls

Omar Pulse was not a terrorist he hated himself for being gay

he did the i am doing this in name of ISIS for his father cause suicide is horrid for Mulimm his father knew he was gay and he had to make it look like he was not bipolar gay there was nothing about him that was ISIS stuff he was bipolar internalized homophobia with a homophobic father moo

only moo
 
Allegedly, he made contact with far-right extremists, but there is no evidence that he was a far-right extremist himself:

The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reported in its online edition that the perpetrator was Jens R., 48, who resided some 2 km (1.2 miles) from the crime scene.

Broadcaster ZDF said police were searching his apartment and that he had contact with far-right extremists, but there was no evidence thus far that he was a far-right extremist himself.


The Sueddeutsche Zeitung said the man had psychological problems. The Interior Ministry in North Rhine-Westphalia would neither confirm nor deny the report.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ermany-killing-two-plus-himself-idUSKBN1HE0IQ
 
JENS R. WAS KNOWN TO POLICE AS A PETTY CRIMINAL

Welt.de
https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/art...=socialmedia.socialflow....socialflow_twitter

Shortly before 6 p.m. the police confirm that the driver of the small truck has shot himself. Information about the perpetrator is gradually leaking out. His name is Jens R., he was born on May 1, 1969, comes from the Sauerland and lives in Münster. A psychologically disturbed German. Initial clues point to an act due to relationship problems. Jens R. is known to the police as a petty criminal; he has stolen mobile phones and car radios. So-called procurement crime to finance his drug addiction.

A special squad examines the murder vehicle and finds a pistol with a wire attached to it, which leads under the floormat. It could be a booby trap that the specialists have to blow up. Onlookers and journalists are urged to go back as far as possible. "Protect yourself by entering the building entrances," advises a policewoman. A blast wave could be felt a few hundred yards away. The suspicion of a booby trap in the vehicle is not confirmed. In the evening, the perpetrator's apartment is also examined for explosives.

No usable AK47 machine pistol was found, as previously reported by the media. According to the public prosecutor's office and police on Sunday, the officers found only a decorative weapon and fireworks. For security reasons, specialists would have blown the apartment door open before the officers could have examined the rooms.

Jens R. obviously calculated his deed perfidiously. On a mild spring day like this, Münster is a lively city. After the crime, there is an oppressive silence in the cafés and restaurants around the cordoned off district. Consternation among many guests, but also helplessness. A group of young Dutchmen heard about the attack during their pub crawl through the old town. "We didn't see anything, police told us to leave the area quietly but quickly."

Shortly before 7.30 pm WELT AM SONNTAG was informed that an Islamic background could be excluded. Police comment on the perpetrator's motive: "The man had already said in the past that he would commit suicide. This was meant to be spectacular."

Sebastian Fiedler, chairman of the Federal Association of German Criminal Investigators (BDK) in North Rhine-Westphalia, calls for better prevention of acts of aggression. Commenting on the incident in Münster, Fiedler said to WELT: "In the coming weeks we will not only have to deal with the question of where we have to provide German inner cities with bollards - we are happy to do this in parallel. We will have to ask ourselves what we have done in North Rhine-Westphalia and other federal states nine years after the rampage in Winnenden to be able to recognize and prevent acts of running amok in time. There are numerous parallels in the prevention of rampage and terrorism. One is as important as the other. In both cases, innocent people die."


BBM


In certain circles it is rejoiced that this wasn't an Islamic attack. If that makes one happy .... nevertheless, that is where the alleged good news ends. The fact is that this rampage killing could happen at all and anyone might have done it, because no special precautions were taken in the old centre of Münster. Are the German authorities sleepwalking? The Christmas market in Münster was heavily policed, but apparently, nothing was done for the rest of the year.


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Van driver in Germany acted alone: police

https://www.9news.com.au/world/2018/04/08/07/40/two-killed-in-germany-van-attack

The silver-grey van was hauled away hours later, after explosives experts had thoroughly checked it.

"The van is not at the crime scene anymore, all kinds of objects have also been removed, waste of course, as well as evidence that we've found on the ground," police spokeswoman Susanne Dirkorte told The Associated Press.

Inside the van, police found illegal firecrackers which were disguised as a fake bomb, a fake pistol and the gun that the perpetrator used to kill himself.

bbm
 
I wish people would wait for the facts to emerge, all this speculation helps noone.


No indication German man who drove van into crowd, killing two, had terrorist connection

Police say they have found an assault weapon at the home of the attacker, known only as Jens R.

5 hours ago


[FONT=&amp]Instead they are said to be working on the theory the attack may have been a form of “extended” suicide.

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http://www.thejournal.ie/muenster-investigation-3946639-Apr2018/

[FONT=&amp]ens R is believed to have had a history of mental illness, and had reportedly made an earlier attempt at suicide. He also reportedly spoke of committing suicide in a “spectacular” manner.

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[FONT=&amp]several were still in critical condition

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[FONT=&amp]had a history of mental health issues.

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[FONT=&amp]city of 300,000 residents.

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[FONT=&amp]city centre was packed

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[FONT=&amp]fifth of the population are students, and there are four universities within the city. It is also known as the bicycle capital of Germany.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/07/several-dead-car-drives-crowd-german-city-reports-say/
 
Events like this in Germany never result in the same amount of social media footage (as if it is blocked/filtered). Police are also very secretive. It's hard to really know who it was and what actually happened. Why are non-Islamic terrorists driving cars into people ? Copycat? Is it that billions of $ in intelligence stops real terrorists, but cannot really detect mentally unstable people?

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https://www.bild.de/news/inland/anschlag/anschlag-in-muenster-tote-und-verletzte-55323662.bild.html


The motive remains unclear. Investigators are nevertheless certain that there are "no indications of a political background" to the crime.

Instead, it is assumed "that the motives and causes lie within the perpetrator himself," Münster's police commissioner Hajo Kuhlisch said on Sunday.

Thus, the alleged contacts of the perpetrator in the right-wing extremist scene are considered unlikely at this time. The authorities do not see an Islamic background either.


BBM
 
A couple of snarky posts have been removed.

If you can't post respectfully toward other members, do not post at all.

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Events like this in Germany never result in the same amount of social media footage (as if it is blocked/filtered). Police are also very secretive. It's hard to really know who it was and what actually happened. Why are non-Islamic terrorists driving cars into people ? Copycat? Is it that billions of $ in intelligence stops real terrorists, but cannot really detect mentally unstable people?

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I thank you for posting this. Cause I have been frustrated -- its like it seems like nothing is being learned - and this explains why

I really could not find much yesterday and it made no sense to me!

as you know over here we leak everything ha ! But you get used to that!!
 
https://www.bild.de/news/2018/news/news-eilmeldung-halbmarathon-terror-berlin-55328742.bild.html


Police have prevented a terrorist attack on the Berlin Half Marathon.

This was reported by the newspaper "Die Welt". The main suspect is said to have planned to use knives to kill participants and spectators at the sporting event. According to police, a total of six people between the ages of 18 and 21 were arrested.

According to BILD, the main suspect belongs to the private environment of Christmas market terrorist Anis Amri - according to "Welt", his motive is revenge.


BBM


Thread to Anis Amri's jihadist attack on the Berlin Christmas market here:

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...Christmas-market-in-Berlin-9-dead-19-Dec-2016

Anis Amri hijacked a truck and murdered the Polish driver. The he drove the truck into the crowd at the Christmas market.
 
https://www.bild.de/news/2018/news/news-eilmeldung-halbmarathon-terror-berlin-55328742.bild.html


A high-ranking police leader told the "Welt": "We are still evaluating. But that was probably close." In the basement of a searched apartment, explosive sniffer dogs would have hit.

The main suspect is said to have possessed two extra-sharpened knives to carry out his planned bloody deed.

According to "Tagesspiegel" information, he had been continuously observed for two weeks before arrest. He had been known to the authorities from the subsequent investigations into the Amri attack. Apparently, there was a tip-off from a foreign secret service.

According to "Welt", one of the searched apartments in the west of Berlin is said to have already been searched after the Christmas market attack on December 19, 2016.

Anis Amri raced in a truck into Berlin's Breitscheidplatz that day and killed twelve people. On the run, the Tunisian was shot dead a few days later in Italy.

According to the organizers, 36,000 athletes took part in the half marathon in Berlin on Sunday.


BBM
 
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama...muenster-hinterlaesst-lebensbeichte-1.3935709


After the rampage that left three dead in Münster, the investigators continue to search for a motive of the perpetrator. According to current knowledge, this is the isolated act of a possibly mentally unstable man from Münster. Thus, 48-year-old Jens R. had no political motive and no Islamic background. According to information from Süddeutsche Zeitung, WDR and NDR, already on March 29 the industrial designer had sent a kind of confessional and also a five-page letter to acquaintances by e-mail. The extensive opus is all about what went wrong in his life and that many other people are to blame for it.

Federal Interior Minister Horst Seehofer (CSU) and North Rhine-Westphalia's Prime Minister Armin Laschet (CDU) expressed their condolences to the victims and their families on Sunday. Seehofer said: "This cowardly and brutal crime has made us all very concerned." On Saturday at 3.27 pm the man had driven a silver-coloured camping bus in the centre of Münster into a group of people in front of a popular restaurant. A 51-year-old woman from Lüneburg County and a 65-year-old man from Borken County died, and more than 20 people were injured, some of them seriously. Currently, four severely injured people are still being treated. The driver of the bus shot himself immediately afterwards.

Jens R. comes from the Hochsauerland district. He was regarded as wealthy, his three apartments are also an indication of this. All three - one in Münster, two in East Germany - were searched. Nowhere was there any evidence of political motive. In an apartment in Pirna, police discovered an 18-page letter that was subsequently read by investigators as a classic announcement of suicide. In it, R. reports of serious problems with his parents, of guilt complexes, nervous disruption and regular breakdowns. There is also talk of "outbreaks of aggression" and behavioural disorders. A possibly botched operation plays a special role in the letter. He had been known to the city's social psychiatric service for some time. According to information from SZ, WDR and NDR, R. had already been noticed as mentally ill during police missions.

In Münster there had been three trials against him in 2015 and 2016 and one at the public prosecutor's office in Arnsberg, the senior public prosecutor of Münster, Elke Adomeit, said on Sunday. This included a threat, damage to property, hit and run, as well as fraud. "All cases were dismissed," Adomeit emphasized.


BBM


Wondering what happened when people received his five-page letter on March 29...... did anyone take action?

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nster-avoided-Paris-Bataclan-ISIS-attack.html

The German killer who caused carnage by ramming his van into a cafe in Münster was a heavy metal fanatic who had been 'badly affected' by narrowly missing the attacks on the Bataclan in Paris in 2015, MailOnline can reveal.

Interior designer and bodybuilder Jens Ruther, 48, killed two in the attack before shooting himself. He had told friends of his 'shock' that he had attended a concert at the Bataclan shortly before the ISIS atrocity that left 89 dead.

'He told me how shocked he was that he'd missed what had happened in the Bataclan theatre by just a couple of weeks,' a source who asked not to be named told MailOnline. 'It was something that stayed with him.

'He had a Kalashnikov, which was disarmed and couldn't fire, which he'd kept in his luxury apartment after finding it during his travels around Eastern Europe.

'He'd lived in his penthouse apartment for at least 12 years so I got to know him just from small talk in the street or when he was sunning himself on his balcony in the summer.


BBM
 
Well this thread died a quite death when the perp was not a Muslim. Muslims cannot be mentally ill. Only non muslims can be. A muslim kills people? Terrorism. A non muslim does? Mental illness.
 
COULD THE RAMPAGE HAVE BEEN PREVENTED?

Bild.de
https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/news/...n-vor-dem-anschlag-wussten-55334380.bild.html


Police records: A few days before the crime, they were searching for Jens Rüther


Could the rampage by Jens Alexander Rüther (48) have been prevented? BILD has information that the perpetrator was already the focus of police attention days before his insane act. The authorities had already noticed Rüther before April 6 as mentally disturbed and suicidal.

Rüther is no blank slate for the authorities. In the past, he has been investigated for property damage, fraud and hit and run. But there was never a conviction. There was also a threat to his parents.

Already in 2015 and 2016, the amok driver made several appointments with the Social Psychiatric Service of the City of Münster, most recently on December 19, 2016, after which there were no further contacts.

Suddenly, only a few days before his amok drive, Jens Alexander Rüther behaved conspicuously again and worried the authorities.

March 27, 2018: Jens Alexander Rüther appears unannounced in the Social Psychiatric Service and hands over a multi-page document. He does not express suicidal intentions.

March 2018: An acquaintance and employee of the Social Psychiatric Service receives an email from Rüther in which he expresses suicidal intentions. The multi-page message is full of confused thought processes, but does not contain any information about a specific suicide action or a planned date.

March, 12.51 o'clock: On the same day a patrol car crew visits Jens Rüther's apartment in Münster at 12.51 o'clock. On the premises, the officers notice that the mailbox is overflowing and that a message is clearly visible on the front door of the apartment.

The note says: "I'm on my way, open the door at your own risk".

The police questioned the neighbors. They say they haven't seen Rüther for days.

Since it is known that he also owns apartments in the Dresden area, an apartment in Heidenau and an apartment in Pirna, the assignment is handed over to the officials there.

March 29, 3.37 p.m.: The colleagues in Saxony reported to the police in Münster that they had not found Rüther in Heidenau or Pirna. At one of the apartments, however, a VW Multivan with Münster license plates is discovered by the officers.

Nine days later, Rüther races into the innocent visitors of a beer garden with this vehicle.

March, 4 p.m.: Rüther appears at the Social Psychiatric Service and requires to speak with a certain employee. The man is on vacation, though. Rüther then hands over a multi-page document entitled "Lebensgeschichte" (Life Story) and leaves the building for an unknown destination. He is not stopped.

Brisant: There is no contact between the police and the Social Psychiatric Service at this time, although the investigation was initiated by a member of the Social Psychiatric Service. There is no further investigation of Rüther, there are no indications that his apartment in Münster will be checked again by the police.

April 4, 2018: Jens Alexander Rüther appears at 4 pm at a police station in Berlin. He brings charges against the doctors of the hospital in Münster, where he had spine surgery in 2015. He also made statements described as confused about other facts and persons.

The authorities will only find this out after the attack in the course of their investigations.

April 2018, 3.22 p.m.: Jens Alexander Rüther races with his VW-Bulli California into the outside terrace of the Münster restaurant Kiepenkerl, kills two people, injuring 32 people, some of them life-threatening. Still sitting in the vehicle, he shoots himself in his mouth with a firearm.

Where Rüther has been during the other days is as yet unknown to the authorities.


BBM
 
'WE CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR THE LIVES OF THREE VICTIMS WHO ARE STILL IN MORTAL DANGER'

Bild.de
https://www.bild.de/regional/ruhrge...hlag-so-geht-es-den-opfern-55336096.bild.html

The amok driver Jens Rüther (48) killed two people with his camping bus before he took his own life. Three victims were still in mortal danger on Monday, according to the University Hospital of Münster.

"This is a patient with a very serious head injury, a patient with mainly abdominal injuries and another patient with very serious pelvic injuries," said Dr. Michael Raschke, Deputy Head of the Clinic and Head of Trauma Surgery.

"We continue to fight for the lives of these patients. They are not in the clear yet, this is high-performance medicine," according to Dr. Robert Nitsch, head of the clinic, at the press conference of the University Hospital Münster on Monday.


BBM


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