Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #8

[Forest_Wood]

She seemed a lot more coherent and spoke with more clarity than an interview I watched her do with Nancy Grace. I do believe her story and I’m not trying to discredit her but she doesn’t seem 100% in a clear state of mind in some of her interviews. MOO

I wonder if she gets paid for these interviews? She's certainly making the rounds.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Just trying to understand how it works with escorts. Are they contacted online, have a conversation with a man, go to meet him in a public place, and then continue the "date" elsewhere, for money? She goes there to meet him, then decides he's too creepy, so declines his invitation to go back to his place. She considers going back to his home in her own car, then implies she would never get into a stranger's car. That part doesn't make sense to me because wouldn't it be just as unsafe to be alone with him in his home?

me too. I thought it was a business transaction. However, the dinner and chitchat . . so does that move it from strictly prostitution to "escort"? And the not riding with him, not making sense because it would obviously be more dangerous alone in his home with him. Well, I think that was her tap-dancing, trying to get away from him without making him too angry. Not only was she not going to ride in his car, she wasn't going home with him. In fact, she was getting away as quietly as she could.

 

[Forest_Wood]

me too. I thought it was a business transaction. However, the dinner and chitchat . . so does that move it from strictly prostitution to "escort"? And the not riding with him, not making sense because it would obviously be more dangerous alone in his home with him. Well, I think that was her tap-dancing, trying to get away from him without making him too angry. Not only was she not going to ride in his car, she wasn't going home with him. In fact, she was getting away as quietly as she could.

And then she said she called a friend, but not sure if she asked the friend to pick her up or just called the friend.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Well, I was wondering if the 2nd visitor came in with his attorney. It does not sound like it.

jmo

 

[Jurisprudence]

After 26 years, Fire Island Jane Doe is Identified

Suffolk County Police Department and the FBI Team with Othram to Identify a 1996 Gilgo Beach Murder Victim

dnasolves.com

Same lab that they're fighting over in Idaho. Idaho has a state contract with this lab but the FBI took it over from the lab and defense is making all kinds of motions because they made/retained no notes.

moo

Othram - A Revolution in Cold Case Resolution

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[LadyL]

“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” Shell wrote. “Once, at a job site, he spotted a client approaching and, speaking to my boss over the phone, said, ‘Target in sight.’”

Idk, if one has to use a code word, when a bear is in sight while hunting. But if RH mistook his hunt for people with his usual bear hunt, so it sounds like an accomplice could have been with him at other times (Gilgo Beach or other locations). Nobody speaks with themselves. The mention "target in sight" needs someone, who is listening to it.

he was talking to someone on the phone

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I don't find the comment "target in sight" particularly odd or damning when talking about a client. Wouldn't be my word choices, but meh.

 

[Just K]

It’s been awfully quiet, on the side of LE and the prosecution, since the searches of RH’s property concluded.

 

[fidgeypie]

It’s been awfully quiet, on the side of LE and the prosecution, since the searches of RH’s property concluded.

Yes it has, jmo but I'm wondering if they either found a lot or nothing at all

 

[CuriousCricket]

Yes it has, jmo but I'm wondering if they either found a lot or nothing at all

I'm thinking the "mess" was his camouflage. Remember someone wrote about seeing his truck with trash up to the dashboard? Then he bought an Avalanche which has a factory cover. The problem with a normal "camper cover" for pick-up trucks (if you were traveling with something you didn't want LE to see) were the windows, where many people hung curtains or otherwise covered. The mess could have been a conscious distraction - a way to make the proverbial "haystack" much, much larger and more difficult to locate a single needle. So, LE probably found so much that attempting to sort it is mind-boggling. They still might not know whether they have anything or not. Since we suspect he's been busy for years, there's probably more than one single needle -- and then how do you even determine what MAY be relevant and what isn't, especially if he's dragged in bits from out-of-state?

 

[Sjöberg]

Yes it has, jmo but I'm wondering if they either found a lot or nothing at all

My gut feeling is that it is more likely to have been the nothing at all option, at least for the house.
Meaning, they might be still searching for the location he took his victims. This can take time.

 

[NicMed329]

Yes it has, jmo but I'm wondering if they either found a lot or nothing at all

I feel like they have so much evidence to sort through, as well as dna taking several weeks, I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t hear anything for some time. I do hope we the IDs of Peaches, her child, and Asian Doe soon. JMO

 

[Just K]

My gut feeling is that it is more likely to have been the nothing at all option, at least for the house.
Meaning, they might be still searching for the location he took his victims. This can take time.

I’m still very curious about the medical examiner’s vehicle being at one of the storage units.

 

[dotr]

Noting in case this missing woman was not previously mentioned here as a possible victim, cross-posted link.
Aug 19 2023

CRIME HUNTER: Was Canadian woman victim of Gilgo Beach serial killer?

When cops nabbed suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuremann it set off alarm bells in cold case units around the U.S.

torontosun.com

'Canadian woman Jessie Foster, a victim of sex trafficking, vanished in 2006 and is believed to have been murdered. Cops are now looking at alleged Long Island serial killer Rex Heuremann. FAMILY PHOTO'

'When cops nabbed suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuremann, it set off alarm bells in cold case units around the U.S.
'What the detectives are hoping for — and it is often beyond hope — are similarities between their murders and the big fish that has just been reeled in.
Heuremann, a 59-year-old New York architect, has been arrested and charged with first-degree murder in a series of slayings of sex workers on Long Island whose remains were found in a killing field near Gilgo Beach.''
Her mother said the 21-year-old Kamloops, B.C., woman disappeared after a harrowing ordeal of being sex trafficked in New York and New Jersey, then finally, Las Vegas. She had been arrested several times for prostitution in the desert boomtown.

“We know that Jessie had been beaten, that Jessie was being forced into it,” Grant said.

The arrest of Heuremann has now given Grant new hope with cops in three states hunting for anything that might tie the alleged Long Island killer to their cold cases.'

Ws thread.

NV - NV - Jessica Foster, 21, North Las Vegas, 29 March 2006

Still looking for Jessie Foster | Las Vegas Tribune Jessie Foster age progressed - 35 years old Jessie is a beautiful, blonde Canadian girl who came to Las Vegas to celebrate her 21st birthday, she disappeared from where she was living in North Las Vegas at 1009 Cornerstone Place, with an...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Ruminations]

Yes it has, jmo but I'm wondering if they either found a lot or nothing at all

I suspect they found a tremendous amount that might be very important, or not at all important.

it takes a long time to determine which.

there must be thousands of pieces of evidence that Rex was at such-n-such location at such-n-such time via reciepts and spending records, that tediously have to be added to some time line data base and compared with crimes.

there must be hundreds of stains suspected to be blood that have to be compared to his family members, which takes time. Then compared with known victims if any is not family. Those leads get more tedious if blood that is not family or known victims is found. That co7ld be extremely important or rather mundane if, hypothetically, someone like the collegue who spoke to the press about having to measure around the vault door room, happened to cut herself and leave blood, that can be another long trail.

The above also applies to other forensic evidence; there must be so many hairs that have to be determined family or not.

they will want everythin*they can find that exculpates or eliminates others Rex might try to blame the murders on. What if the murders occurred in his home, and Rex claims he left the victims after the "date," and told the victims to go home. And that Rex didn't know what happened. LE has to be prepared to debunk "other guy" attempts to create reasonable doubt.

I am sure LE found a tremendous amount of evidence. Receipts to support CAST analysis of cell phone location in case Rex disputes it, for instance. But the evidence is probably mostly tedious, IMO.

If they found anything super dramatic, like a belonging of a victim, it's more likely to have been secreted out of the house.

I think LE presumptively believed there was something big in the bathroom. From the limited views of photos we saw, no floor was treated like the bathroom floor.

AFAIK, no door was was removed except the bathroom door.

I'm not sure what to make of the media report that a new friend and advocate of Asa's apparently reported not only that the door was removed, but that it was customized for a family member that will not be living there again, IMO.

wouldn't the trauma of the bathroom door being missing and needing a curtain be the relevant part? Who cares about who needed a modification of the door previously? why mention it?

MOO

 

[dotr]

I suspect they found a tremendous amount that might be very important, or not at all important.

it takes a long time to determine which.

there must be thousands of pieces of evidence that Rex was at such-n-such location at such-n-such time via reciepts and spending records, that tediously have to be added to some time line data base and compared with crimes.

there must be hundreds of stains suspected to be blood that have to be compared to his family members, which takes time. Then compared with known victims if any is not family. Those leads get more tedious if blood that is not family or known victims is found. That co7ld be extremely important or rather mundane if, hypothetically, someone like the collegue who spoke to the press about having to measure around the vault door room, happened to cut herself and leave blood, that can be another long trail.

The above also applies to other forensic evidence; there must be so many hairs that have to be determined family or not.

they will want everythin*they can find that exculpates or eliminates others Rex might try to blame the murders on. What if the murders occurred in his home, and Rex claims he left the victims after the "date," and told the victims to go home. And that Rex didn't know what happened. LE has to be prepared to debunk "other guy" attempts to create reasonable doubt.

I am sure LE found a tremendous amount of evidence. Receipts to support CAST analysis of cell phone location in case Rex disputes it, for instance. But the evidence is probably mostly tedious, IMO.

If they found anything super dramatic, like a belonging of a victim, it's more likely to have been secreted out of the house.

I think LE presumptively believed there was something big in the bathroom. From the limited views of photos we saw, no floor was treated like the bathroom floor.

AFAIK, no door was was removed except the bathroom door.

I'm not sure what to make of the media report that a new friend and advocate of Asa's apparently reported not only that the door was removed, but that it was customized for a family member that will not be living there again, IMO.

wouldn't the trauma of the bathroom door being missing and needing a curtain be the relevant part? Who cares about who needed a modification of the door previously? why mention it?

MOO

The door apparently had to be enlarged to accommodate RH's height.
Hey, what could possibly make for a sexier tinder date profile, than a very large, pot-bellied middle-aged man posing in his family bathroom?
speculation, imi.

Cops ripped up Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s bathroom, removed part of tub and tiled floor: estranged wife

Chunks of alleged Gilgo Beach murderer Rex Heuermann’s bathroom were ripped out as part of cops’ nearly two-week search of his Long Island home, his estranged wife revealed Monday.

nypost.com

THE alleged Long Island Serial Killer used a fake name on Tinder and bathroom selfies to lure women before he was finally arrested this week, court documents have revealed.

''Heuermann allegedly made several Google Pay transactions for a Tinder account in January 2011, according to American Express records that were obtained from a subpoena.

The account owner used the name "Andy," with Andrew Roberts also showing up associated with the Tinder profile.

Andrew is Heuermann's middle name, according to court docs.

The email address used for the Tinder profile was under the name "John Springfield" and had a zip code from Astoria, Queens in New York City.

A search warrant was obtained to investigate the email address, which turned up several selfies that appeared to have been taken by Heuermann.

The photos were allegedly sent to people in the hopes of soliciting and arranging hookups, which investigators believe links Heuermann to the "John Springfield" email address and Tinder profile.''

 

[iamshadow21]

The door apparently had to be enlarged to accommodate RH's height.
Hey, what could possibly make for a sexier tinder date profile, than a very large, pot-bellied middle-aged man posing in his family bathroom?
speculation, imi.

Cops ripped up Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s bathroom, removed part of tub and tiled floor: estranged wife

Chunks of alleged Gilgo Beach murderer Rex Heuermann’s bathroom were ripped out as part of cops’ nearly two-week search of his Long Island home, his estranged wife revealed Monday.

nypost.com

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THE alleged Long Island Serial Killer used a fake name on Tinder and bathroom selfies to lure women before he was finally arrested this week, court documents have revealed.

''Heuermann allegedly made several Google Pay transactions for a Tinder account in January 2011, according to American Express records that were obtained from a subpoena.

The account owner used the name "Andy," with Andrew Roberts also showing up associated with the Tinder profile.

Andrew is Heuermann's middle name, according to court docs.

The email address used for the Tinder profile was under the name "John Springfield" and had a zip code from Astoria, Queens in New York City.

A search warrant was obtained to investigate the email address, which turned up several selfies that appeared to have been taken by Heuermann.

The photos were allegedly sent to people in the hopes of soliciting and arranging hookups, which investigators believe links Heuermann to the "John Springfield" email address and Tinder profile.''

That isn't the same bathroom.
Both have white subway tiles, but the Tinder bathroom is grouted with black, the family bathroom is grouted with white. The Tinder tiles also seem very flat, whereas the family tiles seem to have a bevelled edge.
The Tinder door terminates hard against a wall on the left. The family bathroom clearly has the door in the middle of the wall, with a toilet on the right and a vanity on the left.

Not the same room, not at all.

MOO

 

[NicMed329]

That isn't the same bathroom.
Both have white subway tiles, but the Tinder bathroom is grouted with black, the family bathroom is grouted with white. The Tinder tiles also seem very flat, whereas the family tiles seem to have a bevelled edge.
The Tinder door terminates hard against a wall on the left. The family bathroom clearly has the door in the middle of the wall, with a toilet on the right and a vanity on the left.

Not the same room, not at all.

MOO

Probably work? JMO

 

[1794SMB]

I'm thinking the "mess" was his camouflage. Remember someone wrote about seeing his truck with trash up to the dashboard? Then he bought an Avalanche which has a factory cover. The problem with a normal "camper cover" for pick-up trucks (if you were traveling with something you didn't want LE to see) were the windows, where many people hung curtains or otherwise covered. The mess could have been a conscious distraction - a way to make the proverbial "haystack" much, much larger and more difficult to locate a single needle. So, LE probably found so much that attempting to sort it is mind-boggling. They still might not know whether they have anything or not. Since we suspect he's been busy for years, there's probably more than one single needle -- and then how do you even determine what MAY be relevant and what isn't, especially if he's dragged in bits from out-of-state?

I completely agree with the thought of “camouflage “. My family member worked in NYC for years, and always kept his car messy to avoid a break in. He always felt the “mess” kept people away.

 

[dotr]

That isn't the same bathroom.
Both have white subway tiles, but the Tinder bathroom is grouted with black, the family bathroom is grouted with white. The Tinder tiles also seem very flat, whereas the family tiles seem to have a bevelled edge.
The Tinder door terminates hard against a wall on the left. The family bathroom clearly has the door in the middle of the wall, with a toilet on the right and a vanity on the left.

Not the same room, not at all.

MOO

Thanks for the detail, but i should have made clear that i was just posting pics of RH in a bathroom, the point being that it is a gross place to take a selfie for tinder, made more disgusting that it is a supposed 'family man'!

The other bit was in response to a comment about bathroom renovations at his home, in particular installing a larger door, imo.
Did he always use the same bathroom for his tinder pics. are they taken in public washrooms, hotels or at his office- most importantly, are they taken wherever he does the alleged crimes, or at another property that he owns?
Wondering if any tradespeople might remember installing a larger bathroom door in some venue close to where the bodies were found?