Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #9

[Mrs.A]

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So, in this episode of LISK Podcast, Rodney Harrison says that Shannan's death was an accident.

The episode was released today and after seeing him at the press conference yesterday with information linking her to Rex, I am not sure what to think.

 

[NyxNY]

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This doesnt make a ton of sense to me

It does if you live in New York and are familiar with NYC. Especially in the 80's and 90's.

 

[Betty P]

https://spotify.link/xIpkn3KB1Db

So, in this episode of LISK Podcast, Rodney Harrison says that Shannan's death was an accident.

The episode was released today and after seeing him at the press conference yesterday with information linking her to Rex, I am not sure what to think.

Perhaps the podcast was done before he had his meeting with John Ray? In much of the details about Shannan's death, I think Harrison can only go on what his police/detective force tells him. They've never explained the damage to her hyoid bone. Anyone at WS knows that's very important.

IDK. Some of this is starting to become political, so who knows. There are no "adults in the room" anymore when it comes to politics and civic responsibility.

 

[NyxNY]

I've been sitting with all of this new information all night. Some thoughts:

The reason Heuermann is sitting in a jail cell right now is because of Rodney Harrison. Harrison formed the task force within weeks of getting the job and then the task force had Heuermanns name within the month.

We learn today that one of the witnesses, who signed an affidavit, was taken to Heuermanns house along with Karen Vergata by a NYPD narcotics cop. Fun fact: Rodney Harrison is a former NYPD undercover narcotics cop. I know the witness says that they found Heuermann's house from a listing at the singers club but who saw that listing - the cop? Had he been there before? Why would this cop want to leave Karen Vergata who was clearly in distress according to the witness.

The moonlighting cab driver witness claims Heuermann tried to scam Shannan Gilbert and then she helped Shannan escape. Heuermann knew he had been seen and possibly requested the driver later on - telling her he was going to kill her. Was this after Shannan was murdered? Did Heuermann go over the events in his head and think this witness was the one who could possibly link him with Shannan? Heuermann had what appeared to be a police lanyard - fake or a trinket from a cop friend?

Shannan ending up at J Brewer's house in Oak Beach - rumors of it being a party house. Possibly swingers parties? Ex SCPD James Burke attended sex parties in Oak Beach. Heuermann said to be a swinger by multiple witnesses. Again, NYPD cop driving sex workers out to Heuermann's house and leaving them there. SCPD head Spota covering for Burke bungling this case for years.

NYPD/SCPD... Heuermann... Am I losing my mind or is there a bit of a pipeline starting to appear.

Come November, Rodney Harrison is most likely out of a job. The front runner for County Executive is Ed Romaine (R) and most likely will replace Harrison with someone who isn't a city slicker and also *looks* more like the politicians out in Suffolk - if you catch my drift. Harrison is the first black commissioner in the SCPDs history. He was also the first black Chief of Detectives in NYPDs 200 years.

I don't think I'm going out on a limb here by saying Suffolk County DA Tierney does not like Rodney Harrison. I'm very familiar with the politics around these parts. Tierney's office releasing a statement making it look like Harrison has gone rogue from the investigation when in reality Harrison is the one that got things moving in the first place for the very first time. Now we have Attorney John Ray and Commissioner Rodney Harrison telling potential witnesses they can come to them if they don't trust the SCPD/NYPD/Task force and then we have the task force and SCPD telling potential witnesses, no, only come to us.

Wow.

I am hoping I am wrong but, come November, this case may stall. I don't like any of this one bit. That and after this press conference, I am sure there are more bodies out on LI. I want to know which woods Heuermann told the taxi driver to take them to.

Excellent post! I love your thoughts! My assumption to your last paragraph...Manorville

 

[PreciousDust]

I've been sitting with all of this new information all night. Some thoughts:

This is a great post, I heartily concur with a lot of it.

Not sure that any new County Executive would want to fire a police commissioner who has gotten results, we'll see.

Harrison's encouraging people to give information to Ray is just astounding, as is just the general appearance of Harrison standing there with Ray, all made the more remarkable by Tierney's rebuttal - there must be one heckuva disagreement going on between Harrison and Tierney, and I can't imagine it speaks well for their chances at trial.

Not much of a surprise that there might be some... complexity to the case, and if evil vicious pond-scum like Rex Heuermann is still entitled to a heads-up, I'd tell him to watch his back.

 

[Betty P]

It does if you live in New York and are familiar with NYC. Especially in the 80's and 90's.

On these matters in the case, I defer to those of you who are local.

There have been non-fiction books written on the topic.

Group Sex

books.google.com

Author describes underground swinging subculture and wild sex parties in new book

A Los Angeles-based screenwriter has opened the bedroom door to the widespread yet hidden world of swingers in a new book that’s part memoir, part guide. In “Swingland,” 38-year-o…

www.nydailynews.com

Today, its referred to as polyamory

If You're Curious About Polyamory, You've Got To Read This Book

Plus, eight other tomes on the topic.

www.womenshealthmag.com

Not being judgmental, but its not my thing.

 

[dotr]

Attorney: Witnesses link Rex Heuermann to other Gilgo Beach victims

The attorney representing Shannan Gilbert's family said witness affidavits connect Rex Heuermann to her and another woman, Karen Vergata.

www.courttv.com

VIDEO

 

[Betty P]

Excellent post! I love your thoughts! My assumption to your last paragraph...Manorville

The witness spoke of driving for a cab company out of Sayville, NY. That's not too close to Manorville, but it is close to Heuermann's house. I want to look around that area.

Just checked. Sayville is about halfway between Massapequa and Manorville

Manorville to Massapequa

www.google.com

 

[NyxNY]

The witness spoke of driving for a cab company out of Sayville, NY. That's not too close to Manorville, but it is close to Heuermann's house. I want to look around that area.

Just checked. Sayville is about halfway between Massapequa and Manorville

Manorville to Massapequa

www.google.com

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Yes, and he said they were going for a long drive to the woods. I actually live in Manorville, and moved out here because of how quiet and desolate it is. I literally live in the middle of the woods. Two of the victims' torsos were found in Manorville, Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor. They are not officially listed as RH's victims, but their other body parts were found in Gilgo, and are associated with the Gilgo case.

Many other bodies have been found in Manorville over the years. Do a virtual walk through on google maps street view, and you will see just how perfect it is to hide bodies. For years I have been researching the Manorville connection to LISK. For someone to dump these bodies where they have been found, they had to have been familiar with the area. Hunter, law enforcement, etc. came to mind even back then.

 

[Betty P]

Yes, and he said they were going for a long drive to the woods. I actually live in Manorville, and moved out here because of how quiet and desolate it is. I literally live in the middle of the woods. Two of the victims' torsos were found in Manorville, Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor. They are not officially listed as RH's victims, but their other body parts were found in Gilgo, and are associated with the Gilgo case.

Many other bodies have been found in Manorville over the years. Do a virtual walk through on google maps street view, and you will see just how perfect it is to hide bodies. For years I have been researching the Manorville connection to LISK. For someone to dump these bodies where they have been found, they had to have been familiar with the area. Hunter, law enforcement, etc. came to mind even back then.

That sure sounds possible, especially with the other bodies found there. There probably aren't many places where he could tramp around in the woods.

But is that the location he called the taxi to, or just where he wanted her to drive to?

I also have to give major credit to the taxi driver's dispatcher who it seems took control of the situation, called LE and started yelling at Rex H to get out of the car.

ETA: In the affadavit, the taxi driver says she was called to a little road off Ocean Ave, in Ronkonkoma. Actually, that's over near JFK. Any idea where that might have been? Is Ocean Ave also called Hook Creek Blvd? There are some streets off Ocean Ave that have areas of woods. She said he stepped out of some woods that were at the edge of a parking lot. Across the street there was a residence where people saw what was going on.

Manorville to Ocean Avenue

www.google.com

 

[loveplace]

On these matters in the case, I defer to those of you who are local.

There have been non-fiction books written on the topic.

Group Sex

books.google.com

Author describes underground swinging subculture and wild sex parties in new book

A Los Angeles-based screenwriter has opened the bedroom door to the widespread yet hidden world of swingers in a new book that’s part memoir, part guide. In “Swingland,” 38-year-o…

www.nydailynews.com

Today, its referred to as polyamory

If You're Curious About Polyamory, You've Got To Read This Book

Plus, eight other tomes on the topic.

www.womenshealthmag.com

Not being judgmental, but its not my thing.

Polyamory and swinging are NOT the same thing at all.

What’s The Difference Between Swinging And Polyamory?

www.instituteforrelationalintimacy.com

Edit to fix typo

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I recall her hiding behind a couch.

I recall Brewer saying that Shannan spent, what he thought, was a long time in the bathroom (seemingly implying that she was in there doing drugs). But I don't recall him ever saying that she locked herself in the bathroom.

 

[NyxNY]

That sure sounds possible, especially with the other bodies found there. There probably aren't many places where he could tramp around in the woods.

But is that the location he called the taxi to, or just where he wanted her to drive to?

I also have to give major credit to the taxi driver's dispatcher who it seems took control of the situation, called LE and started yelling at Rex H to get out of the car.

ETA: In the affadavit, the taxi driver says she was called to a little road off Ocean Ave, in Ronkonkoma. Actually, that's over near JFK. Any idea where that might have been?

Manorville to Ocean Avenue

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For your first question, the cab driver's reply to his request for the long drive to the woods was that she would need to clear it with her dispatcher. That to me means that the destination differed from the one RH called in.

With reference to your second question, the airport(s) you see on the map are MacArthur Airport and a small private airport. JFK is closer to NYC. The area she speaks about in Ronkonkoma has a few seedy pubs in the area. The Backstage Pass at the train station, Shenanigans to name a couple. I am curious to drive around the area to see what "houses" are in view of these pubs where she saw a woman in the window, and also very curious WHO lived in that house.

 

[Betty P]

For your first question, the cab driver's reply to his request for the long drive to the woods was that she would need to clear it with her dispatcher. That to me means that the destination differed from the one RH called in.

With reference to your second question, the airport(s) you see on the map are MacArthur Airport and a small private airport. JFK is closer to NYC. The area she speaks about in Ronkonkoma has a few seedy pubs in the area. The Backstage Pass at the train station, Shenanigans to name a couple. I am curious to drive around the area to see what "houses" are in view of these pubs where she saw a woman in the window, and also very curious WHO lived in that house.

Great info! Yes, a small bar sounds like a good possibility for a business with a parking lot on a residential street. It also has some woods next to the parking lot. Recall she said he walked into the woods and shot his gun twice. Was the other woman he referred to a SW?

Remember his co-worker who said he stalked her even while on a vacation cruise? He got a kick out of tracking people, setting up little schemes. He was "hunting".

Co-worker: Rex Heuermann once unnerved her by tracking her down on a cruise: "I told you I could find you anywhere"

Exclusive details about the NYC architect accused of being the Long Island serial killer, his life and how he may have been hiding in plain sight for more than a decade.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[kevmoley]

A few things bothered me about the press conference: First, everything mentioned was hearsay and a press conference was held on that info. 2nd, the wife of the beast was attacked at the Press Conference without any true evidence to prove what was said about her. Lastly, I have a hard time believing the story of a couple seeing a posting inside a club in Manhatten for a party at a house all the way out in Long Island and they simply decide to go plus pick up a prostitute to take with them. It does sound a little far fetched IMO.

 

[waldojabba]

My main takeaway from this press conference:

One witness claims Heuermann had sex with the male acquaintance she arrived with.

Witness (two seperate witnesses?) claims family was in the house while sex between RH and swingers and/or sex workers was happening.

NYPD narcotics cop that went to RH's house with witness to "swing" tried to calm witness down when she became concerned with RH's treatment of (witness identifies as) Karen Vergata.

My question: was the NYPD narcotics cop an accomplice to RH?

Also curious - why didn’t they name the NYPD narcotics cop who she was with or have him also write out an affidavit ? Or just even say that they contacted him and he had no comment. Are they trying to tell that cop they are on to him and know his identity. And could he even be a part of the task force and that is why this whole presser was separate and distinct from them. Which btw spoke volumes

I am still noodling what the end game of that presser was.

Seemingly good info for the investigation but imo not anything the public needed to know at this point.
The motive is either very simple or there is a twist somewhere.
-Rex frequented sex workers. A lot. Ok. Stands to reason he may have been with some of the other victims plus countless others.
-Asa may have been a swinger and known Rex had sex workers in the house. Ok.

No sure how you get to murder of anyone else from JRays info but good to know as you investigate.

The part from the cabbie/banker about Rex in camo and she drives him to the woods and hears two gun shots - when and where?

JMO

 

[NyxNY]

Great info! Yes, a small bar sounds like a good possibility for a business with a parking lot on a residential street. It also has some woods next to the parking lot. Recall she said he walked into the woods and shot his gun twice. Was the other woman he referred to a SW?

Remember his co-worker who said he stalked her even while on a vacation cruise? He got a kick out of tracking people, setting up little schemes. He was "hunting".

From the affidavit: "He indicated that we had to pick up a girl from the house across the street". IMO, yes, it was a sex worker

 

[Just K]

The witness spoke of driving for a cab company out of Sayville, NY. That's not too close to Manorville, but it is close to Heuermann's house. I want to look around that area.

Just checked. Sayville is about halfway between Massapequa and Manorville

Manorville to Massapequa

www.google.com

Would that be near that huge wooded area just down the street from his home or close to his storage units?

 

[gatewood88]

Well, Harrison was never a part of the past corrupt SCPD or part of Spota’s crew but RM, he has a history Re: the old Suffolk County political machine. I know who I believe.

Spota faces scrutiny for lawyer's reduced conviction

The Suffolk County district attorney is reportedly facing scrutiny from federal officials after a lawyer's drug conviction was vacated and then reduced. Robert Macedonio, a criminal defense attorney

longisland.news12.com

Wow

Well, Harrison was never a part of the past corrupt SCPD or part of Spota’s crew but RM, he has a history Re: the old Suffolk County political machine. I know who I believe.

Spota faces scrutiny for lawyer's reduced conviction

The Suffolk County district attorney is reportedly facing scrutiny from federal officials after a lawyer's drug conviction was vacated and then reduced. Robert Macedonio, a criminal defense attorney

longisland.news12.com

wow. That’s asa’s attorney? That’s some weird stuff that out of all the attorneys she could choose, this one seems to be tied into the party scene and corruption on LI…. Would love to know more about his cocaine arrest/conviction as well as who he associates with out there .. just seems really fishy…

 

[Betty P]

Polyamory and swinging are NOT the same thing at all.

What’s The Difference Between Swinging And Polyamory?

www.instituteforrelationalintimacy.com

Edit to fix typo

Thanks for the clarification! I'm not an expert, so appreciate you pointing that out.