Glad to be wrong

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by SuperDave, Nov 22, 2010.

  1. SuperDave

    SuperDave Active Member

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    Hey, all.

    I usually don't like "therapy" threads, but I thought it might be good for us to say whether or not we'd like to be wrong about our respective theories and why.

    That caught my eye, HOTYH. I'm legitimately interested. Why do you say that?

    For the record, I hope I'm wrong, too. I'm DESPERATE to be wrong. The idea that JB was killed by a parent is a LOT scarier than any intruder I can think of, regardless of motivation. And there are a few reasons for that:

    1) The idea that a child is not safe with the people he/she is SUPPOSED to be safe with is much more disturbing than a straight good & evil story about some boogeyman.

    2) More importantly, if my theory is correct, than it's a case of "there, but for the grace of God, go I." Which is what I suspect scares most people.

    Everyone's welcome. Let's give it a go.
     
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  3. wonderllama

    wonderllama Registered Snoozer

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    I actually hope I am RIGHT.

    If there was indeed an intruder, there is nothing to say that he/she hasn't killed again or will kill again. If I am right, I think the tally stands at 1 forever.

    What I DO hope I am wrong about is the history of sexual abuse...I'd feel better about things if this was a sudden death rather than a drawn out history of abuse leading up to it.
     
  4. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Active Member

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    How can one determine whether JonBenet being killed by her parents or by an intruder is more disturbing? Like you said, if Patsy and/or John killed her, she was killed by someone she thought loved her. But if an intruder killed her, then she was being murdered while her parents slept and they couldn't help her. Both scenarios are horrible. If JonBenet was killed by her parents, how is her murder more scary/disturbing than Samantha Runnion's, who was killed by a complete stranger? Or vice versa? Both are them are equally sick in my mind.
     
  5. joeskidbeck

    joeskidbeck Rest in Peace

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    If I'm wrong about anything I believe right now, I sincerely hope it is that JonBenet was being molested prior to that night. There are feelings on that issue that I cannot even begin to express here. So much pain. I cannot even type here without tears falling as I think of her needing so bad for someone to rescue her, just someone she could talk to, who would take her seriously and not come to the conclusion that she was just a little bit molested. So, if it really was RDI, I truly hope it was some kind of freak accident that just escalated out of hand and then I could be wrong about all of it, including JonBenet knowing that someone she loved took her life.
     
  6. joeskidbeck

    joeskidbeck Rest in Peace

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    I agree that both are completely horrifying. "Home", "mommy", "daddy", these all mean safety to most kids. Well, we all know that no matter what happened that night, those words didn't mean safety for JonBenet. No, neither of these crimes is any worse than the other except for the fact that a man is paying with his life for what he did to Samantha and nobody has ever had to answer for what was done to JonBenet. I guess that's what makes hers more horrifying, for me anyway.
     
  7. wonderllama

    wonderllama Registered Snoozer

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    Equally sick, but both result in a dead child.
    The Intruder option results in the possibility of more dead children.

    I think the 'hope I'm wrong' in this instance is thinking about OTHER children, not JonBenet, who is already dead irrespective of who killed her.
     
  8. Wysteria

    Wysteria Member

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    A Fond Hello To All,

    I hope that my post does not cause a problem because it's not on the correct thread. Franky, I had no idea where to put my request.

    Here is my request:

    I'd like to order some more books regarding this case since it is being looked into once again.

    I'd be very appreciative if member's could recommended books that they feel are the most informative and reliable.

    As I stated above I had read some books regarding this case years ago; however my husband and I have since "downsized" and redecorated our home, I have no idea where these books are.

    I have a very large collection of true crime books because reading true crime books is one of my favorite hobbies. It's a bummer that I got rid of some of the books.

    TIA!

    ~Wysteria~
     
  9. joeskidbeck

    joeskidbeck Rest in Peace

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    Welcome to the forum, Wysteria. I'll leave it to others to recommend the books you should read as I always come down on the RDI based books; although I do recommend reading "Death of Innocence" by the Ramseys. It only solidified my opinion on who was responsible for JonBenet's death.
     
  10. Agatha_C

    Agatha_C New Member

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    Wysteria... I'm new too, the posters here are great and very helpful, this is where I recommend you start.. acandyrose and these threads, the posters here are very knowledgeable about this case and through their trials and tribulations you can and will become informed. Also, I google a lot, if I read something that sparks my interest, I google it and read everything that comes up, and keep notes you'll need them...lol..

    Oh, and welcome aboard....
     
  11. Agatha_C

    Agatha_C New Member

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    I too would love to be wrong, but as the old saying goes...If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck, its not a confused chicken or if it walks like an R and it talks like an R, its not a confused intruder.
     
  12. Tadpole12

    Tadpole12 Well-Known Member

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    Hey joeskidbeck.

    lol.
    What a book review!

    Ah, I wonder about the proof reader, editor of that book, and why some of the material, particularly, PR's 'premonitions' were included.
     
  13. akashana

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    All child murders are horrific. But it goes beyond the pale for one to imagine having their life snuffed out by the givers of life, i.e., a parent. From early on kids are taught to fear the unknown stranger, boogeyman, whatever name by which he goes in the child's mind. As scary as it would be for a child to be abducted and murdered by a nameless, faceless stranger of the night, I think it would be doubly hard to have it be a parent. As long as it was a stranger, the child could hold out hope until their last breath that Daddy or Mommy could somehow manage to save them from certain death. But to know in the depths of your heart that no hope will ever come because the monster is the mother or father would, to me, be utterly soul-destroying.
     
  14. kcabnroh

    kcabnroh New Member

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    I would like to be wrong about the constant thought that I have that the police did not canvas the surrounding area enough the first couple days and miss evidence outside the house.


    I would also like to be wrong about the possiblity that an intruder sat in the Ramsey house learning the layout, then hid when they got home, and waited till they went to bed to go get Jonbenet. It freaks me out that somone could be lurking in your house where you feel most safe, and you have no idea that they are in there.
     
  15. DeeDee249

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    Hello and Welcome. I'd recommend "Jon Benet - Inside the Murder Investigation" by Steve Thomas. Also "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town" by Lawrence Schiller (also in DVD- it is an very interesting portrayal and can be rented online via Netflicks or bought online at Barnes and Nobel)
     
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    DeeDee249 New Member

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    I would like to be wrong about this case not being prosecuted because the DA was intimidated by the R lawyers. (but I don't think I am).
    I'd like to be wrong about the last person that poor, terrified baby saw before she died being someone she loved.
     
  17. joeskidbeck

    joeskidbeck Rest in Peace

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    Gosh, Tad. Now I have to go looking for the person who "ghost wrote" with the Ramseys. I could be wrong about this, but I seem to remember the person was some kind of priest or someone in the religous community. That could very well be my early onset "oldtimers" kicking in though. They for sure had a ghostwriter as I remember the detectives asking Patsy did she not read what changes that person had made before the book was actually published. Of course she hem-hawwed her way around the question. I'm sure she thought for the one thousandth time that they were trying to trap her by something she said. Got some news for Patsy, nobody needed to "trap" her. She did enough damage all by herself.
     
  18. SuperDave

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    I'm sorry, Beck. I didn't think it would bother so many people so deeply.
     
  19. SuperDave

    SuperDave Active Member

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    Perhaps equally sick, eileenhawkeye. But this is how I look at it: the intruder story allows people to feel good about themselves. It's a straight-up, simple good and evil story. But that's not true with RDI. The idea that a mother as beautiful and successful and loving as Patsy can have a moment of unthinking rage and deal a fatal blow to her little one in the blink of an eye shakes people up, because if it can happen to her, it can happen to any of us.
     
  20. SuperDave

    SuperDave Active Member

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    Agreed. Welcome aboard, Wysteria!
     
  21. SunnieRN

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    I would like to be wrong in my firm belief that Burke murdered his little sister, whether by accident or on purpose and that the parents implicated themselves by staging the body, lying in statements, hindering the investigation and having the financial means and ability to help solve the murder and yet did nothing to accomplish that.
     

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