Grand jury notes

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  1. spooky24

    spooky24 Member

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    The duct tape- It is duct tape not duck tape as Duct tape is used to mend the sections of the cold air return in an HVAC heat pump system. Duck does sound better. The detective's knew-including Chief Kolby that they had both Ramsey's dead to right for perjury in the case of the duct tape.At least 6 people heard their testimony under oath-including Tripp Demuth-and team Ramsey. The investigation slowed down because they knew-or they thought-all they needed to do was confront them with their own statements, and they would confess-wrong. One of the prime reasons this never came to trial as the detectives continually underestimated team Ramsey-and what they were willing to do to keep the Ramseys out of a courtroom. When your attorneys switch from 'finding evidence and distorting it' to 'lie me and an alibi' you know you were in trouble and that is just what happened as Team Ramsey dug in for some trench warfare where nothing was out of bounds. Case in point-tracking down the fact that Decree Thomas's mother had committed suicide and spreading around thousands and thousands of bribe money in the process. They paid off the Hardware store clerk for $50.000, the Baptist minster got $75.000 and Tripp Dumeuth for $75.000-all in cash folding money-yes he is the district attorney. Now team Ramsey relaxed thinking they has the Duct tape problem dicked-they didn't. The hardware clerk refused to purged him self under oath to the grand jury regardless of how much money team Ramsey had all ready paid him. The loud arguments-and screaming from the grand jury room continued into the wee hours of the night. Two days later the Hardware store clerk disappeared. Now while all this was going on Jeff Shapero (synonym) went undercover in the Atlanta church that the Ramsey's went to. Whether detectives Thomas and ##### knew about is anyone guess.
    Although at this point it was clear that team Ramsey wood stoop to anything-including murder-to suppress evidence that simply could not make disappear. The secret recording Shaperio made while pretending to be 'totally devastating death- he should have gotten an Academy award for that piece of play acting-including the admission of bribes in the entire district attorney department. These were supposedly to be played for Chief Kolby in a car somewhere in Bolder-with what Shaperio attempted to put the squeeze on the Chief or blackmail or just for the fun of it. Later it became obvious that it was a combination of all three. One of the problems with people trying to investigate this murder is they don't understand it has nothing to do with evidence of who what when and where and has everything to do with the sordid soap opera between the D's office-Bolder police-the national media and of course money. Compounding this insanity the national media thought they had already solved the case and with so called 'instant experts' along with beautiful NY models in skimpy outfits posing as journalist they fed this crap to the world forever everlasting 24 hours a day. Feeling they were losing the momentum again Team Ramsey turned the case into he said she said as the Ramseys now turned on all their rich friends and tried to incriminate them. As one might suspect the media joined them in the witch hunt. Highly respected criminal investigator John Douglas took a million dollar bribe from team Ramsey to tell the world he solved the case in his next book and the Ramseys were innocent. Be that as it may Team Ramsey didn't follow up by reading what Douglas had printed and in retrospective horror he managed to muddy the waters even more. Although it ruined his career in law enforcement many including my self-didn't hold it against him for taking the money and running. By now people were fed up with the entire mess-including myself-went in a different direction. As to compound this regretting malaise it was John Douglass who ruined the clincher for Pasty by telling the world that 'trace DNA' has no profile to incriminate or help the Ramseys because the trace DNA, more than likely came from the factory in Vietnam where clothing was packaged. I have always wondered if team Ramsey put out a mob 'hit' on Douglas for double-crossing them-and cashing in as well. The whole thing with Elisabeth came about as team Ramsey was playing hardball and refused to disperse any information about her death. Of course lawyers had no right to do anything about anything and that is shown by the entire breakdown of law and order in Bolder. Can you imagine an attorney in any city other than Bolder could restrict public documents!! Somehow the question of who is her real mother along with an Undesirable retelling of the accident. Basically, the car hit a patch of black ice and fishtailed into the on coming lane traffic, and hit broadside, on Elizabeth side of the car. As one might suspect, after hitting an 8 ton delivery truck there was very little left to bury. Believe it or not there was discussion about reinserted the remains of Elizabeth for some kind of logic that belonged in a horror movie. Lou Smith stated that they did dig it up- be damned if anyone could come up with why! They say John Ramsey fathered 2 bastards, you must ask I have always wondered with the mass of humanity using that on ramp why they were the only ones that hit the ice. They wanted concession in the interview with Pasty that was going to take place sooner or later-now get this* They wanted a lawyer on both sides of Pasty out of the range of the camera, so they could pass her notes. The whole thing about the death of a little girl was lost in a whirlwind of lawyers, payoffs, hatred on both sides, incompetents run amok, media that would not let go the suspiciously feeling that they had been had by both sides
     


  2. SuperDave

    SuperDave Former Member

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    I have to ask, spooky24: how do you know all this? Because if any of it is true, it's some devastating stuff.
     
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    Marionumber1 New Member

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    Reposting my question from the other thread: is your last comment -- "I have always wondered with the mass of humanity using that on ramp why they were the only ones that hit the ice" -- meant to imply that you believe there was something suspicious about Elizabeth Pasch Ramsey's death?
     
  4. fr brown

    fr brown Well-Known Member

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    Who writes "yes, he is the district attorney" in notes to himself?

    Fake, fake, fake, fake
     
  5. BoldBear

    BoldBear Active Member

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    The nerd in me couldn't get past the 'Duck' vs 'Duct' tape. They're actually the same thing although 'Duck' tape is a brand name. But the original name was 'Duck' tape when it was first used in WWII for ammunition boxes. It's unnecessary to make the correction.
     
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    Tadpole12 Well-Known Member

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape


    "The idea for what became duct tape came from Vesta Stoudt, an ordnance-factory worker and mother of two Navy sailors, who worried that problems with ammunition box seals would cost soldiers precious time in battle. She wrote to President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1943 with the idea to seal the boxes with a fabric tape, which she had tested at her factory.[SUP][11][/SUP] The letter was forwarded to the War Production Board, who put Johnson & Johnson on the job.[SUP][12][/SUP] The Revolite division of Johnson & Johnson had made medical adhesive tapes from duck cloth from 1927 and a team headed by Revolite's Johnny Denoye and Johnson & Johnson's Bill Gross developed the new adhesive tape,[SUP][13][/SUP] designed to be ripped by hand, not cut with scissors.
    Their new unnamed product was made of thin cotton duck coated in waterproof polyethylene (plastic) with a layer of rubber-based gray adhesive (branded as "Polycoat") bonded to one side.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][14][/SUP][SUP][15][/SUP][SUP][16][/SUP][SUP][17][/SUP][SUP][18][/SUP] It was easy to apply and remove, and was soon adapted to repair military equipment quickly, including vehicles and weapons.[SUP][14][/SUP] This tape, colored in army-standard matte olive drab, was nicknamed "duck tape" by the soldiers.[SUP][19][/SUP] "
     
  7. BoldBear

    BoldBear Active Member

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    Thanks. That was good for a laugh.

    It's a good distraction from the train wreck that opened this thread. Disappearances, bribes and murders.
     
  8. itsrobin

    itsrobin New Member

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    Stop making people fool.
     
  9. BoldBear

    BoldBear Active Member

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    Oh well, I'll bite. What does this mean? As far as I can tell, it's saying not to procreate. But it feels more like a statement lost in translation.

    Anyway, welcome to Websleuths.
     

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