Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by otg, Oct 25, 2013.

  1. Dragonlady

    Dragonlady New Member

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    I agree with you, they are still horrible people but they did this to protect their son.
     


  2. rob

    rob Active Member

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    OK, everybody's laying out their scenario, here's mine. I have always thought that BR probably caused JB death, maybe even accidentally. BUT, because JB appeared to have been sexually molested in the past, based on her issue with vaginal infections, maybe her father was the molester and somehow the parents worked that issue out between themselves. When the death happened, and if we call LE, of course an autopsy will be performed and the previous abuse will come out. SO, let's stage a scene, where she is abused with an object, so it will look like that caused any damage to the private areas when found. No doubt they did love this child, and couldn't bear to dump her body on side of the road, but instead wrapped her in a blanket and placed her in the basement, where she would be found quickly and they could bury her and still protect their son.
    That's my 2 cents worth, and its all IMO.
     
  3. McDonough

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    Since premeditation can be formed in an instant it could be that they believe he lead her to the basement with the intent to kill her. That's enough, I believe, to be considered premeditation.
     
  4. dodie20

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    Can the jurors speak out now?
     
  5. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes Fasten your seatbelts...

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    Jurors wanted child abuse charges against Ramseys

    P. SOLOMON BANDA, AP
    47 minutes ago

    DENVER (AP) — Grand jurors who reviewed evidence in the death of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey indicted both of her parents for child abuse resulting in death and being an accessory to a crime, including first-degree murder, according to documents released Friday.

    The Daily Camera reported earlier this year that the grand jury had issued an indictment, but the documents for the first time revealed the charges against the Ramseys. The grand jury accused both John and Patsy Ramsey of helping someone who committed murder, but the document did not identify the alleged killer. The documents alleged both parents intended to delay or prevent the arrest of the alleged killer.

    The district attorney at the time, Alex Hunter, who presented the evidence to the grand jury, declined to pursue charges saying: "I and my prosecutorial team believe we do not have sufficient evidence to warrant the filing of charges against anyone who has been investigated at this time."

    Only pages that had been signed by the grand jury foreman and were considered official action of the jury were released. The numbering of the charges implies that there were other charges the jurors considered but rejected...

    http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20131025/US--JonBenet.Lawsuit/?cid=hero_media
     
  6. ShadyLady

    ShadyLady Well-Known Member

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    Just curious, do you know other cases Wood was involved with?

    And...for anyone: IF it was BR, why didn't JR or PR clean up her body and take rope off her neck? I don't understand that.
     
  7. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    Even if he lured her down there to sexually abuse her and killed her to shut her up it would still be first degree murder... If he wasn't 9.



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  8. Aqua

    Aqua Just a girl in the world

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    At first, I was disappointed. I read the 4 pages and went into the kitchen to have a cigarette, as I was sitting there it hit me..It was BR! Takes my brain awhile to process info.:floorlaugh:
     
  9. Harley

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    As far as I am concerned the mystery is solved. I would forgive the parents if this was a one time thing that got out of hand and JonBenet died but if the abuse was ongoing and they knew it there is no forgiveness. They did not do right by Jonbenet or Burke (he should have gotten help long before this happened).
     
  10. cakegirl0905

    cakegirl0905 Well-Known Member

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    I kind of wonder if the garrote was applied by one of the parents after discovering her nearly dead with a serious head wound? Who knows, maybe they thought she was dead at that point already and were trying to stage it, even though it is what actually killed her.

    I too have thought for a while Burke did this and the parents covered it up. I just suspect that they staged it to look like a sexual assault and strangulation. And then a kidnapping for ransom.
     
  11. Tadpole12

    Tadpole12 Well-Known Member

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    Heyya chlban

    "more sympathetic to me than they were yesterday." - chiban

    Oh, please say it isn't so......

    A flaming Drambuie for you!
    Shake it out.
     
  12. vlpate

    vlpate Sleuther with a porpoise

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    CNN is technically correct...the parents were not suspects in the "murder" of JonBenet....and the DNA did not belong to "them". No one who watches this criminal media bias will think of it that way though.

    Apparently Mary Lacy believed Patsy and John were covering for John Mark Karr:scared:
     
  13. TroyinTX

    TroyinTX Active Member

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    Well, while the releasing of these documents is interesting, I do not think it is anything surprising to the many of us who have followed this case for awhile now. I have always suspected BR did it and JR and PR covered up for him. It is just mind-boggling that there are indeed people who believe that cockamammy "unknown intruder" theory that makes absolutely ZERO sense and still grasp at the "DNA" that was found that is truly the most blatant smoke screen ever presented as "evidence" for this crime.

    Looking at the whole picture, it is obvious who was involved that night. It is just heart-breaking that little JonBenet never got the justice she deserves and more than likely never will. Sad.
     
  14. rob

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    I'm thinking that JR was staging the scene while PR was writing the marathon ransom letter.
     
  15. ShadyLady

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    It does not make sense to me that the strangulation was staging. And I remember reading that PR would do something to JBR in the bathroom after she had accidents. Something is just too weird in that family.
     
  16. chlban

    chlban Well-Known Member

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    ShadyLady;9926463]
    Because it worked for the stagng. In fact, they may have actually been the ones to put the rope on, I don't think we'll ever know that for sure. It still strkes me as an elaborate method of death for a nine year old. Maybe that was the point?
     
  17. dodie20

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    A few thoughts here...Steve Thomas worked hard on this case and he thought PR was the murderer. LHP, (the housekeeper), thought PR did it and supposedly testified to such. She also said from what she saw, the GJ focused on PR. So, did the GJ, on their own, come to BR conclusion or was this how the evidence was presented to them-with BR, being the focus?
     
  18. dodie20

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    I guess what I'm wondering, is when did LE move away from the PR theory. Also, if they thought BR was responsible, why did they go after JMK?
     
  19. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Well-Known Member

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    AC360 will be talking about JonBenet tonight. They had a little "pop-up" about it during "Around the World" (which is also talking about JBR at the moment) so it seems like it should be a decent-length segment.
     
  20. Dragonlady

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    I don't believe either parent applied the garrote, it was all BR, he did not have the physical strength to strangulate her so he made the crude device to kill her.
    JBR was alive between the two injuries, I believe that the garrote was what eventually killed her.
    The RN is still somewhat of a mystery to me because I think BR wrote it but it may have been revised or rewritten by his mother, JR would never have written such a ridiculous letter or even allowed it to see the light of day had he had the chance to get rid of it before.
     

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