Gun Control Debate #6

Discussion in 'Rampage Killings and Terrorist Attacks' started by Tricia, Feb 17, 2018.

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  1. EuTuCroquet?

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    After Gun Control Marches, ‘It’ll Go Away’ vs. ‘We Are Not Cynical Yet’

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/01/us/politics/gun-control-marches-protests.html

     
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    What being an ER doc taught me about sensible gun control | Guest column

    https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/contributors/2018/04/01/gun-control-assault-weapons/472680002/

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    I'm so glad he apologized and clarified his statement. He gets it. He's been through so much, and always speaks his mind, and I respect him for that. (He's also a phenomenal musician, imo.)

    Eagles of Death Metal frontman ‘sorry’ for criticizing student gun protest

    http://ultimateclassicrock.com/eagl...an-sorry-for-criticizing-student-gun-protest/

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    Youth-organized activists take to Oakland streets to protest gun violence

    http://triblive.com/local/allegheny...s-march-in-pittsburgh-for-black-lives-matters

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    The gun control conversation isn't going away

    http://www.thecourierexpress.com/ne...cle_3fef519c-65cd-5262-97c6-242fca5a4d5f.html

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    You've been busy EuTuCroquet? - thank-you for all the articles you have posted, today and other days. I see the movement is sweeping across America - good news imo.

    Just want to saying a little something to the Parkland and other students -

    You don't really need to spend much time, if any, on addressing your detractors - you have far more people behind you than can be counted at the moment. The new laws already enacted speak to your success. Go with that and focus on your mission going forward - you're doing more than anyone thought could happen in such a short period of time and far more than any adult in recent decades.

    The Ted's, Laura's etc of this world have nothing to offer America at the moment - they are trying to ridd on your success looking for attention. It's not working out for them, but much success is coming your way for the good of all Americans.

    In my experience, one of the hardest things to understand and know in life is - am I being heard? Were people listening? Did I have an impact?
    The answer to all of the above is yes.

    Don't look back and don't be distracted - you will leave the detractors in your dust (that's an old saying, but I think you will understand the meaning).

    Regards, W
     
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    Well said, Woodland.
     
  9. EuTuCroquet?

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    Thank YOU, Woodland. :heartbeat:
     
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    Welcome to WS, f_allen!

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  11. EuTuCroquet?

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    This post is everything. Well said, Woodland!
     
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    Woodland, you rock!
     
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    Gun violence puts spotlight on underfunded mental health organizations

    https://mibiz.com/news/nonprofit-bu...ht-on-underfunded-mental-health-organizations

     
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    Bayer 16th Co. to Drop Ingraham As Gun Control Issue Looms in Midterms

    https://www.politicususa.com/2018/0...m-as-gun-control-issue-looms-in-midterms.html

    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/381137-bayer-ag-pulls-ads-from-the-ingraham-angle

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    Stoneman Douglas students return to school with stepped-up security, clear backpacks

    https://wsvn.com/news/local/stoneman-douglas-students-return-to-school-with-stepped-up-security/

    Classes have resumed following spring break and students walked in to a few changes, including free, clear backpacks provided by the district.

    The security changes also included:

    • Additional security personnel on campus:
    • Mandatory clear backpacks — which will be provided
    • I.D. badges must be worn by students and staff at all times
    • Use of metal-detecting wands and installed metal detectors

    Students took to social media to express their angst over the new clear backpack policy, including one student saying they do not help make her feel safer.
     
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    Whaaaaaaa ... ??? Not sure what he could possibly be thinking when he said it, but I'm glad he apologized. (Apologies if this was already posted upthread and I missed it.)


    Actor Frank Stallone, Sylvester's brother, apologizes for calling David Hogg a 'rich little b---h'

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...d-shooting-frank-stallone-20180402-story.html

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    In Florida, Cities Challenge State On Gun Regulation Laws

    https://www.npr.org/2018/04/02/598042099/in-florida-cities-challenge-state-on-gun-regulation-laws

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    So there is a gun violence problem, and instead of addressing guns they make students wear clear backpacks? Well that will solve everything! I can see why someone might think that clear backpacks might help stop students bringing something into school that they shouldn't, but to me this epitomises everything that is wrong with the way some in the US look at gun crime. Instead of sensible gun control measures, they ban backpacks! Absolutely ridiculous!
     
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    I was going to read through these threads, but realized I would likely want to answer each post and that would be just foolish. However, I would like to add my two cents.

    1) We already have a ban on automatic weapons for private citizens, save a few extreme cases. A semi-automatic weapon is a whole different kind of handgun or rifle and still requires a trigger pull for each bullet fired. So, please stop using the term "automatic weapons" in your discussions, it just proves that you do not know what you are talking about.

    2) There is no such thing as an assault weapon. Any object can be used in an assault, but the AR-15 rifle that everyone is screaming about is nothing more than a rifle with a plastic stock rather than a wooden one. AR means Armalite - a plastic - which makes the rifle lighter to carry. So, when you scream about the AR-15, you are showing that you know nothing about rifles and your demands are just that we stop having plastic stocks which seems rather ridiculous. And, yes, they are used for sport and hunting, like all rifles.

    3) The number of people killed by AR-15s is staggeringly low, about 175 per year. In fact, most people that are killed with guns are victims of handguns used by criminals. That being the case, the overwhelming majority of gun deaths each year are suicides - 60%. Next in line are gang related shootings which combined with suicides represents 88% of all gun deaths. Next comes accidental shootings and last but, but not least, murders. Roughly 3,000 murders by handguns each year, the vast majority of which are illegally obtained and owned. Again a staggering low number considering the 325 million people in this country and the estimated 200 million guns out there. The fact is that more people die as a result of being beat to death with an object or strangled by a loved one than are murdered with handguns. More people die of medical negligence. Should we ban hospitals and medical staff? Of course not.

    4) Guns, like all inanimate objects, do nothing on their own. A gun is no more dangerous than a tulip. The person behind the gun, with their finger on the trigger is the danger. This is a fact that you can not dispute. You can treat madness, but you cannot legislate it out of society.

    5) The NRA does not make political contributions to any party or candidate. Your are mistaking PACs with the NRA. If you research the contributions made by the PACs, you will see that they are minuscule; in the $2K range to a candidate. This is hardly enough to sway opinion or votes.

    6) In every case of mass shootings, without exception, the shooter was mentally ill and there were red flags that were missed. Mental illness causes mass shootings, not guns. Perhaps you've read about the uptick in murders in England where handguns are banned. The criminals use knives which you can buy without a background check or an ID. You have several of these assault weapons in your kitchen.

    7) We have laws that criminalize the mis-use of guns. It is illegal to: steal a gun, be a felon in possession of a gun, shoot a gun in a populated area or use a gun to commit any crime, etc., etc. Criminals do not obey laws, neither do the mentally ill. The 200 million law abiding gun owners obey the law and that is why we are all still here to discuss it.

    8) You will never legislate the murder out of men's hearts. God Himself told us not to kill and it hasn't stopped anyone from committing murder. I suggest there is no higher authority for believers, but even a self-inflicted set of moral standards for non-believers doesn't stop them from murdering either. Hitler used gas, McVeigh used fertilizer, 911 was jumbo jets, Jones used spiked Kool-Aid, the Khmer Rouge used starvation.

    9) Without the 2d amendment, you can forget all other rights. ALL. Criminals like their victims unarmed and governments without armed populaces can easily turn against the citizens and atrocities occur. Look no further than any dictatorship and see the millions of lives exterminated by oppressive regimes. Our forefathers knew well how oppressive governance turns out and wrote into our BOR the right to fight against it. Any argument that they intended the amendment to mean 'muskets' is silly. They intended the citizens to have a formidable defense against an oppressive regime.

    10) Don't be so quick to throw away your rights. Once gone, they will never return. You have the inherent right of self-defense. If you have never been in a situation where a gun would have saved you or a loved on from harm, I am happy for you. But, if you or a loved one have been the victim of a violent crime which could have been prevented if you were armed, I bet you wish you had that gun at the time.

    11) This latest shooting has generated a lot of emotion, but blaming the NRA, guns, gun manufacturers or law abiding gun owners is disingenuous. It would be like blaming all drivers who drink socially, AAA and car manufacturers for drunk driving deaths. And, that would be kinda ridiculous, wouldn't it?

    12) These kids from the school did not organize this 'march'. It was orchestrated by organizations that stir tumult for the sake of stirring tumult. To believe otherwise stretches credulity to the breaking point.

    13) The Parkland shooter could have been stopped. There were warnings, reports, red flags every where. This isn't a gun issue, it is a ''slip through the cracks" issue at the highest level, all the way to the FBI.

    14) It is estimated that guns in the hands of private citizens prevent roughly 2 million violent encounters every year. Remember, the sociopath criminals WILL get the guns. You will be defenseless against them. You may want to take that chance, it is your choice, but those of us who choose to be prepared to defend ourselves and others do not want to risk it. It is our right.

    I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6. You may choose the opposite, I can not force you to carry a firearm. But, you can't deny me my right to defend myself. You can't choose for me. You don't have that right.

    Finally, if this really was about saving lives and the sanctity of human life, the marches would be about drug addictions and abortions. In the US alone , 50,000 die each year from illegal drug use and 1.2 million die each year by being shredded in uerto. It isn't about life, it's about control and the stealthy, incremental dissolution of Constitutional rights.

    BEWARE. You know not what you surrender. Don't be a sheep.

    The Constitution doesn't need to be re-written, it needs to be re-read. A lot.
     
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