Hailey Dunn: General Discussion thread #3

Discussion in 'Hailey Dunn' started by Salem, Apr 30, 2013.

  1. For The Kids

    For The Kids Active Member

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    I still have major doubts it would take as long as you claim. To be honest it just seems like your trying to make excuses to defend Shawn which is kind of admirable I suppose. I have no idea about child porn but I imagine a file would have hundreds or thousands of pictures in and these could be transferred quickly. Not just that you could make a file of these pictures and email them or send them over msn etc . Did the police say they was specifically downloaded that matter or that they was on the computer?
     


  2. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Is there evidence that the porn was downloaded from the internet specifically on that computer? It could be transferred from another computer on a portable memory device and that doesn't necessarily take long at all. Depending on how the computer is used and if it's left on for long periods of time it's also possible for whoever to leave a downloading program running in the background even if they're not there all the time.
     
  3. kirby

    kirby New Member

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    A pic was posted on fb. It showed SA sitting behind a car steering wheel. Also visible was the ignition key ring which held several memory sticks.

    On the morning of 3/17/?? (The day BD was arrested for lying to the police) someone posted to fb that SA was pulled over by police for speeding.

    Later that same day, police had a warrant to search SA. I've always believed the traffic cop may have seen memory sticks, reported it and a search warrant was issued.

    That's just my guess, but it makes sense.
     
  4. For The Kids

    For The Kids Active Member

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    That's what I was getting at it could be transferred from another computer or memory device and not necessarily downloaded.
     
  5. Knox

    Knox #justiceforMoni ~

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    I'm not going to talk about the child porn anymore. There is no conclusive evidence one way or the other, and since no arrest has been made ...

    But just as three years ago, I'm still interested in those memory sticks he carried around on his key ring. In the 'Bring Them Home' link I inserted above, he does admit that on one of the sticks there were video's of he & Billie, as well as, the other girl (remember her folks?).

    Shawn's not an IT Specialist, had no computer or internet in the home he lived in with Billie, and seemingly little access to computers period. Why carry around multiple memory sticks? Just another one of the many puzzle pieces which have never made sense in Hailey's case.
     
  6. nannymo

    nannymo Well-Known Member

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    http://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/s...-dunn-investigat/87142/47K_uk-crUSY_BWDRVu7GA

    Here is the link to the first story about pornography.

    From the article:
    "The seized items included a memory stick and CD-R found in the bedroom of Hailey's mom, Billie Dunn, and suspect Shawn Adkins. Those were seized during a consensual search of their home, where Hailey was last seen on Dec. 27.

    Dunn denied the images belonging to her or Shawn Adkins, saying she has no idea where they would have come from. Adkins told Tatro he was unable to comment about the development at the request of his attorney."

    Here is another link about the pornography:

    http://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/s...ild-porn-results/32667/Wm9k_NOo3UKjrZYNvGRCSA

    "A number of electronic devices were removed from the Colorado City home of the missing 13-year-old's mother as well as the home of a one-time suspect's grandmother in Dunn and mother in Big Spring."

    "Toombs says child porn was not discovered in the home of Hailey's mother Billie Dunn. "

    "Neither Adkins nor Dunn have been indicted or charged with crimes related to the possession of child pornography. Both admitted to possessing pornography. "

    For someone who had no computer, he sure had enough computer-related items. I believe he used other people's computers to get what he had....SA is a user....that way he cannot be blamed for the content on the computers. By his and Billie's own admission they possessed pornography. LE just cannot prove the child pornography.

    I really do not think the pornography had anything to do with Hailey's disappearance. But I DO believe SA is a very deviant person and it is my opinion he is responsible for Hailey's death. Too many inconsistencies. You would not want me on his or Billie's jury....just stating my opinion here...

    It may take years, but I truly hope justice will come for this precious young lady who was removed from this world way too young.
     
  7. kirby

    kirby New Member

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    Why is Hailey now a 'sub forum"? So sad.
     
  8. Kimster

    Kimster Former Member

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    She has been before. She's still in hot cases.
     
  9. Tugela

    Tugela Well-Known Member

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    There were ~109k files IIRC. If they were only low resolution images, then it would be about 25GB. If there were movies as well (likely), then the amount of storage required would be a lot more than that. I think the collection probably was a few hundred GB in size.

    You are not going to be sending that by e-mail or transferring it with data sticks readily, it would have been downloaded for sure.

    If you were getting it from a commercial site, which typically have high download speeds, you would be downloading individual movie clips or photosets in zip files. Those usually have anything from 50-150 images in them. So you would be looking at a minimum of around 1000 individual downloads that would have to be selected and saved manually. That takes a ton of time.

    If they were downloaded from public sources, such as usenet or torrent feeds, it would take just as long and probably longer to select all those file. A torrent seed protecting its bandwidth is going to upload at 2-10 kbps. That means that if (unlikely) you had a constant connection to a seed for (as an example) a 500 MB movie file, it would take about 10000 to 50000 seconds, or 3 to 14 hours. Since you would be competing with other people for that same seed, it will take a good deal longer as you would not always be connected to it. most of the time you would not have a connection. Like I said, it may take a week or more in most cases, even as much as a month.

    Whoever downloaded this collection did so over an extended period of time and had more or less constant control of the computer.
     
  10. Tugela

    Tugela Well-Known Member

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    Actually he has remarkably few computer related items. A CD-R is very old technology, people use DVDs now. A CD will store about 650 MB on it. Those types of CDs can be written to once, so it is for one-time storage. You can still buy them, but computers these days come with DVD or BD writers in them, so DVDs are by far the most common writable storage used. I think it must be at least a decade since CD writers stopped being standard items on computers.

    There is only one data stick that we can be sure of. Some claim he had others, but we don't know if those exist, or if they do, they were actually his.

    Even if he did have a few more, that is shockingly few for a modern person IMO, and it tells me that he is largely computer illiterate and doesn't have much use for computers.
     
  11. Tugela

    Tugela Well-Known Member

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    Based on everything that has been reported and how everyone has acted/reacted, my theory is HD had an illicit relationship of some sort with someone, and things came to a head just after Christmas, with it all about to be exposed, and she died as a result of that. There was something going on. Assuming BD was not involved, her behaviour the day HD was reported missing is strongly suggestive of someone who was suspicious and who no longer trusted her daughter.

    And no, I don't think it was SA. I can't be sure of course, but I don't see any reason why any of them would protect him if they thought it was him. Fingers would be pointed immediately and vigorously if they thought it was him, and that did not really happen - they almost appeared strangely reluctant to blame him even when LE was. It is someone else.

    It could be a random stranger, but that is so rare. Homicides are almost always done by someone who knows the victim. So I think that is unlikely. HD knew the person who killed her IMO.
     
  12. For The Kids

    For The Kids Active Member

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    well..the only part I agree with is that Hailey knew who killed her. You said Billie would point fingers if she believed it was him. Well she has certainly done that.
     
  13. Tugela

    Tugela Well-Known Member

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    Only years later, after she had broken up with him. That is just spite from an ex. What counts is what she did in the time after HD went missing, and no fingers were pointed then.

    I don't think she knows what happened to HD, but she had a suspicion IMO, and it clearly wasn't SA she was suspicious of. They all had suspicions, but didn't want to say, that is why so many were failing their polys, and why the Texas Rangers were getting frustrated with them early on in the case. I think the county LE didn't understand that nuance, so they went off on a wild goose chase after SA that got them nowhere. They were simple cops who thought that fail = guilty, but fail can = other things too and that was too much for them to get their heads around, and consider other possibilities.

    There was something else going on with HD IMO, and it had nothing to do with SA.
     
  14. Suthrnqt

    Suthrnqt Verified Luddite

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    ITA. When the 'love affair' was over, she certainly pointed fingers---right at Shawn. jmo
     
  15. Soulmagent

    Soulmagent Well-Known Member

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    This case has always made me really upset inside.

    Did Shawn murder Hailey? Was it both of them?

    Why would she blame him if she did help with any part of it ? If she knew he did something why would she hide it ,unless she helped ? Then if she helped why would she blame him? She would get caught up then. It is illogical.

    I firmly believe Billie has no clue what happen to Hailey. I am not sure if Shawn does or not, however due to the info in the case I tend to give him the benefit of doubt .

    The fact this case has went on as long as it has with FBI investing, leads me to believe that benefit doubt is not unreasonable. Which is what leads me to why I get so upset.

    I feel because SA looks like a good suspect ,that everyone has closed their minds to the fact that ANYTHING could have happened to Hailey. Really there are like 5 different issues in her case .
     
  16. For The Kids

    For The Kids Active Member

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    In all honesty its hard to answer given what we are and aren't allowed to say on this forum. I personally believe LE have more evidence than you would think. We can not talk about things on here unless they have been in the media but I personally do not believe it was a happy time in that house before Hailey went "missing."
     
  17. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    Yes. This. Exactly how I feel.

    I mean, SA is not somebody I would want in my house, but that doesn't automatically make him guilty of anything except being, as my grandfather used to say, low enough to walk under a snake's belly without taking off his hat. But he's such an obvious target...
     
  18. StrayKat

    StrayKat Meowww

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    Well said!

    As for the polys, from what I remember 5 different individuals took them. We know 3 of the individuals, what determines who is given a polygraph?
    Thank you
     
  19. For The Kids

    For The Kids Active Member

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    People they thought were lieing or could be involved I guess.
     
  20. StrayKat

    StrayKat Meowww

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    Thank you, but I am hoping Tugela can explain the logics involved.
     

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