HaLeigh Cummings Missing Case Theories - Structured Analysis

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  1. cyberborg

    cyberborg Seeking Justice for Victims

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    This is a thread intended to take a more structured approach to HaLeigh Cummings Missing Case theories.

    This idea originated from some excellent sleuthing work performed by our WS poster, Bern.

    We request that posters first post a 'complete' theory per the following example from Bern rather than some loose ideas. A complete theory should be posted and then we can discuss and debate how well its fits into what we know and any holes to dissect and maybe reach a conclusion.

    As we collect a few complete theories we can begin to compare them and validate them as developments break in the case.

    Please post random thoughts and ideas to the existing Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh?

    Thank you.
     
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  3. cyberborg

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    Originally posted by Bern:

     
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    Originally posted by Bern:

     
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    Originally posted by Bern:

     
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    Originally posted by Bern:

     
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    Originally posted by Cyberborg:

     
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    Originally posted by Kamky:

     
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    Originally posted by Bern:

     
  10. Skully

    Skully Well-Known Member

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    MH abduction theory

    I would like to add that the Cinder Block was left behind; a critical piece of evidence. Also most family members had DNA taken so if the cinder block had any DNA it is reasonable to think it didn't match any family or none was left behind. So I have to ask again, did the perp, where gloves? If so he had the foresight to bring the cinder block and wear gloves, however he took a chance going into a home that had guns.
     
  11. cyberborg

    cyberborg Seeking Justice for Victims

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    Originally posted by Pondering Mind:

     
  12. txsvicki

    txsvicki Active Member

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    I believe if Misty did this, she did something to Haleigh alone in a rage or revenge after fighting with Ron on the phone and as a result of the fight before she even left for the weekend. Showing fake pregnancy tests could be an indication of jealousy towards Ron's kids and his ex women. I also believe that Misty did not have help in the home because she messed up with her Jr. being awake, blanket washing, and cleaning stories. Misty may be saying the opposite about her family. I believe they are the only ones who would have helped her with getting rid of something and they'll never squeal on her. I don't believe any girlfriends, men friends of Misty, or anyone they knew helped Misty or had anything to do with it. They would have talked by now and more than just that one Joe guy. I believe Jr., that someone dressed in black took Haleigh, but no one had told what else he said or Haleigh was taken from or where Misty was at the time.

    Either that or an abductor known to the family really did come in and take Haleigh.
     
  13. Baznme

    Baznme New Member

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    Here's my take on it.

    I think they had an argument around 8:30 pm like they claim. I think Haleigh was giving MC a hard time about going to bed and RC took his dinner break to come home to see what was going on. I think he got a little too forceful trying to get Haleigh to bed and there was an accident. Someone made a statement that they had seen the red truck at the MH later that evening. I think he may have taken her in the red truck, took care of what he had to and went back to work. In the meantime, he told MC to shut her phone off knowing she was in no shape to talk to anybody. I do think he called Hank and asked him to go over there to check knowing the house would be dark and no one would answer the door. Whether Jr. was awake or not, is another story. That was his alibi. "I was at work". Someone also saw him at the convenient store at 2am. It took him an hour and a half to get home? There is some sincerity in his voice on the 911 call, but he composes himself instantaneously enough to swear at the people on the other end of the phone. I attribute this to his being upset (really upset) earlier in the evening, but once it was over, he had enough time to get himself somewhat pulled together to begin the cover up mode. He knew he couldn't go to jail, he would lose both of them. So, she became his patsy (MC) and was instructed on what to say, how to act, thus keeping your friends close. On the today show with Meredith, she answers with her famous "I don't know" when asked about her inconsistencies. She looks straight at him as if to be asking, "what should I say"? The marriage came about within a month because I believe they saw it as a "tribute" to Haleigh and a sign of their pact together. A bit premature if you ask me for a child you allegedly believe is still alive.

    The icing on the cake for me was when he texted MC to tell her she had been setup. That was a blatant "keep your mouth shut" to me. This is just theory through perception and piecing together different things that have been put out there.

    I would just like to add that I don't like having these thoughts as I honestly feel he loved his little girl.
     
  14. curvecuti

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    My comments and question are in blue. :)
     
  15. Baznme

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    Thanks for your input as I'm sure I'm not accurate on some things. It's the "theory" thread so I put my thoughts out there.

    Your questions in blue.....

    I don't know about PDM but when my husband worked at a plant here, if the left the premises for lunch/dinner they had to clock out. In case of an accident they wouldn't be on "company time".

    I'm sure it's expected that you would clock out but, it's possible that didn't happen.

    Tommy's red truck? IIRC LE checked that out for physical evidence.

    I think you are correct on that, but not until after it was sold to him.

    IIRC this has been mis-proven, it was not 2am

    I stand corrected on that. I was not aware.

    We don't know what the message said or who it was from unless we actually see the text.

    Theorectically, that is true but....I have my sources on that one of which I will not reiterate on. Consequently, I am confident that is what happened.
     
  16. elle1919

    elle1919 New Member

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    the following theory in the missing child case of Haleigh Cummings. Of course all thoughts are based on my personal opinions and deductions in the case and should not be mistaken for fact. While I have developed a theory based on as many facts as possible, there are multiple theories that might fit or various perpetrators that given the exact circumstances might be interchanged. For my theory, I will be exploring an abduction between the hours of 8 pm and 3 30 am with the perpetrator of the abduction being Cousin Joe who was visiting from Tennessee the week Haleigh went missing with possible help from Hank Croslin jr.

    MOTIVE: Retaliation for fight over 9 mm Berretta that Cousin Joe allegedly stole from Ronald Cummings 2 weeks before Haleigh went missing. Initially I believe the plan may have been to make access into 202 Gr Lane on the night of February 9th and steal back the gun that had previously been recovered from Joe’s hiding spot in a culvert on Tommy and Lindsey Croslin’s property.I believe that Haleigh woke while the thieves were in the home and since she would have been able to identify Joe and Misty’s brother Hank jr (Tommy) she was taken.

    OPPORTUNITY: I believe that it was widely known to members of the Croslin family that Ronald Cummings worked the evening shift at PDM Bridge. Being that Cousin Joe was in Florida for two weeks prior to Haleigh’s disappearance and was staying with the brother and sister in law of Misty and had exclusive access to the blue family van. Believe it or not a consistent story was told by various members of the Croslin family in reference to the gun. The overwhelming theme was that Cousin Joe had taken the gun and placed it in a culvert for safe keeping until gun could be retrieved and make the trip over state lines back into Tennessee with Cousin Joe. Misty’s father Hank SR, Lisa Croslin, Lindsey Croslin alongside her Husband Hankjr all recounted the story about the gun hidden in the culvert. Lindsey pointed out the culvert to numerous people and stated that the gun was hidden in the drainage pipe when Misty went to retrieve the while on the phone with Ronald.

    THE STEPS: It has been stated that Misty turned her phone off around the 8:30 pm mark on the evening of Feb. 9th. Upon repeated unanswered calls from initiated by Ronald a phone call was then made to the Croslin home to inquire if perhaps Misty was there and not answering her phone. After gaining the information that Misty was not answering Ronalds calls, I believe that Cousin Joe saw an opportunity to “give Ronald what he had coming to him” those were the words used to describe Joe’s reaction after the fight over the missing gun.

    Hank jr and perhaps Cousin Joe as well would have known entry points at 202 Gr Lane. I think it is reasonable to assume that both men had been inside Haleigh’s home and would not have been troubled about fingerprints or possible DNA being found in the trailer. Both men also would have known that Misty is known to be a sound sleeper and with the knowledge gained by the phone call from Ronald, they knew she was sleeping deep enough for his phone calls to go unanswered. With that phone call they may also have discovered that Ronald was asked to work the extra hours at PDM. This was an added bonus as seen by them because it gave them more time to carry out their plan.

    Access was made into the home, I have suspicion that it might have even been through the front door to the trailer since we never heard if the front door was even locked at all. Regardless, entry was made at they began looking for the gun. Somehow during that time I believe Haleigh woke up and discovered the two men in the trailer. She would not have had immediate cause for concern because both men were known to her. No screaming, no struggle. Now the two men had a very serious problem, they had been seen and it called for quick action to avoid Ronalds wrath. Perhaps at this point Haleigh was asking questions of the men, JR began to rouse, Haleigh was scooped up by one of the men and it was discovered that she was wet. Through the kitchen and to the back door where there was possibly a clean shirt for Haleigh. I believe it was here that one of the men, and I am leaning towards Cousin Joe because it was said that he had “bricked open” doors before in robberies, stayed behind and staged the door with the cinder block and perhaps led Haleigh down the path in the woods, leaving a footprint in the dirt. While the other man perhaps raced back to grab the keys to the family van and use it to conceal and make it away form 202 Gr Lane without being noticed by neighbors and also cover any noise that Haleigh would be making, because now she knows that something is very wrong.

    WRAPPING UP: There are indeed pictures of this blue van with deep scratches down the side. Misty’s sister in law confirms that the van was taken by Law Enforcement and processed for evidence. Perhaps Haleigh’s fingerprints and DNA were found inside the van and that would not have been out of the norm since it was a vehicle shared by various members of the Croslin family. In a recent interview with Chelsea Croslin here : http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/#more-3180 this was said.. SNIP~With her car totalled, Chelsea started driving the blue family van, which she initially reported appeared to be parked in a different spot than she usually left it the day Haleigh was reported missing. Cousin Joe Overstreet had spent the night, and Chelsea later told police she’d left the keys on the kitchen counter, where she usually does, within easy reach. Reflecting now, she says, “What I told police was that I can’t totally, 100 per cent account for Joe that night…
    “I don’t see Joe doing something like this, but I just gave police my observations — that the van just seemed to be in a different spot. I have a long driveway, and the back steps are to the left. I usually turn the wheel so the car is behind the stairs. This time, I noticed it seemed to be parked more on the side of the house. I don’t know if Joe took it to the store, or maybe he didn’t take it at all.” ~ END SNIP

    As you can tell I have left out the ugly part in my theory. To sum up and tie it together THIS THEORY I will say that Haleigh was taken from the MH that night with perhaps the intention of only an attempt to buy Cousin Joe and Hankjr the time to develop a story that would explain to Haleigh why they were in her fathers home, At this point Haleigh is scared and completely aware that something bad is happening to her, she was scared and perhaps even screaming now. It became necessary to silence Haleigh and that is what they did. Whether they placed a hand over her mouth or what method they used, with Haleigh’s Turner Syndrome I believe her breathing was labored, possibly more than a child without asthma or a breathing disorder, and Haleigh was killed. I go back and forth on the exact circumstances of disposal with this theory. The events of the evening could have been changed up and Haleigh might have been smothered off the trail in the woods possibly even in the small outbuilding that was searched and then placed in the dumpster or near the dumpster until one of the men could retrieve the Croslin van. However it happened, for the purpose of this theory I will end with Haleigh being disposed of in the river, or possibly a canal. There was a track that cadaver dogs followed down to the docks and we know all about the dumpster hits right. I believe this was all carried out between the hours of 10:30 and possibly 2:30. Hank jr has admittedly placed himself at 202 Gr Lane in this time frame, Cousin Joe hightailed it back to Tennessee the next day the 10th and was urged by family and friends to travel back to Satsuma to be interviewed and clear his name. Personally his name will never be cleared until he comes clean and the vehicle that he traveled back to Tennessee in is searched and he accounts for his evening in the same manner that all other people who had contact with Haleigh have done.

    Cyberborg: In response to the post of yours involving things that would have to happen in order for this scenario to be carried out. I think I addressed all of your questions. These two men would have been privy to information that only family members would know. Couple that with the information that a call from Ronald was received and they possibly gained the knowledge that He was working late and therefore they knew they had the extra time to carry out the plan. Fingerprints and DNA absolutely could have been found inside the home but because both men had access to trailer in the past they have their excuse.....Any other points I forgot please feel free to ask. This is indeed just a theory. I have 2 others but quite honestly i am a little tired out from working up this one!:blushing:....

    As a side note, I have been trying to track down the information that would tell me how Cousin Joe returned to Tennessee on the 10th. I have family members in Knoxville that have tried researching this for me and they have found out nothing. You might remember that A RAV 4 was seen at a Carrabba's as well as a little girl with a man that was covering her face. Could Joe have brought Haleigh to Tennessee with him? Too many questions
     
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    information because it helped me to support and develop my above theory.

    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132845&catid=3

    snip~Croslin's mom and dad, Lisa and Hank, spoke out about a 19-year-old cousin who lives in Tennessee. His name is Joe. We are not identifying his last name because police have not named him a suspect in the case.

    Police confirm the FBI has talked to Joe. Croslin's father says he spoke to police about the teenager on Tuesday. "I was into the police station yesterday telling them everything. I hope I don't get in trouble for saying, but ya know. I don't know what else to do."

    The First Coast News I-team has found Joe's myspace page. The last posting on his site is from February 22, 2009.

    A friend by the name of Thomas told Joe, "Just go back down there and help find the lil girl it just might clear your name."

    The Croslins say about two weeks before Haleigh disappeared, Joe and Haleigh's dad, Ronald Cummings, had an issue over a gun. "He stole Ronald's gun. One morning, on the porch, said, Ronald will get what's coming to him. It was dropped, he left and Haleigh was gone," says Lisa Croslin.

    Police confirm they are investigating the information about the stolen gun.~end snip

    I believe that Ronald believed if he confirmed the story about the gun who would have been implicating himself in a crime(possession) but also endangering Haleigh's life if Cousin Joe indeed was behind Haleigh's disappearance and Ronald thought he would eventually bring her home.
     
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    but there is no mention that Cousin joe was present or has ever offered his DNA sample.

    http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/#more-3180

    snip~What Chelsea does know is that the day Haleigh was reported missing, cousin Joe split for Tennessee; she was beyond exhaustion. “We’d just left Gainesville, dropping (Misty’s mother) Lisa off to be with Hank at the hospital. I’d been up late trying to figure out insurance claims for our car that was wrecked, dealing with an injured father in law and then, we go to sleep and about 4 a.m., and I get a phone call.”

    It was Misty. “I don’t usually answer the phone in the middle of the night,” she tells me, “but I did this time and heard everyone in the background yelling for Haleigh.”

    They lay in bed for an hour or so, not sure what to make of it, not wanting to wake up her two girls, close to giving birth to a third. At about 6 a.m., “I woke up Timmy when we realized this was serious. I couldn’t imagine anything like this. I just figured she’s probably hiding in a closet. My kids hide from me all the time. Sometimes I’ll find them in a cabinet. To them, it’s a game.”

    It was no game. Within hours, she’d raced back to Gainesville to pick up Misty’s mother and hightailed it back to the Sheriff’s Department, where she and Timmy joined the long line of family members for interviews, took polygraphs, and watched Ronald and Misty hand over the clothes they were wearing to police. “Ronald was wearing his company jumpsuit, like a blue work outfit that zipped up the front, and they both went in back and took off everything, including their underwear.”

    Chelsea says whenever she has a question, or comes up with a detail that might be a lead, she calls Putnam County and asks for one of the investigators she works with. “I don’ t want anyone to think we had anything to do with anything. We love Haleigh and Junior; I’d never hurt a child. We don’t even spank ours.”~ end snip
     
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    I feel Haleigh was abducted only for sexual reasons that went completely WRONG and disposed of.
     
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    Okay that is not fair...lol. I was told I must submit my theory in the above format only..lol. Chesterp, your thoughts have been my thoughts over and over at different times since Haleigh went missing. Sexual relations could even have been attempted by either male in my theory but I simply could not bring myself to type out the disgusting and explanatory sentences.

    Good to see you ((((chesterp))))
     
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    Nice job Elle,

    The only thing I would see different is Misty wouldn't be home. This gives Joe and Hank Jr. time to look for the gun, maybe look for anything else of value, time to see Haleigh up and talk to her, change her cloths, and decide what they want to do about it. Robbing a gun and jumping to kidnapping and murder are a huge leap. Hank also knew her, better than Joe. I think it would be easier for Joe to do a bad thing to her than Hank, but if we believe Misty, they both liked little girls.

    Good theory and it could have happened that way. Thanks again and it is a lot of work. :blowkiss:
     

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