Hannah Graham: Body Recovered, 18 Oct, 2014 **Awaiting Forensic Confirmation** #4

[ILOKAL]

CBS affiliate WTVR talked to a Chesterfield County search team member who described Saturday's discovery. (Click here to see the video.) Dale Terry of the Chesterfield County Sheriff's Office said the remains were found in a dried-up creek bed behind an abandoned home on Old Lynchburg Road. Terry says investigators found a skull and bones in the creek bed, along with a pair of tight-colored dark pants.

"There was not any crushing of any bones, as far as skull or anything like that. Everything looked intact to me, from what I could see," Terry said.

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/briefing-on-hannah-graham-case/29215060

video

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/che...er-talks-about-finding-human-remains/29220984

When I first heard Mr. Terry's description, I took it to mean they found a skull and bones. There was a long vertebrae and the bones they found were not crushed or broken and were intact. To me that means there was not a complete skeleton and some of the bones were separated. JMO

 

[Tuckersmom]

If it is not Hannah, they would know this immediately. I would hope they would announce this (or let it leak)

 

[Vedder]

What if it's not Hannah? We know JM has the potential to be a serial killer, and this is a local area perfect for potential dump sites.

What if, like the Long Island Serial Killer, we find several bodies in the area ? This case continues to grow and grow.... :thinking:

http://www.usatoday.com/media/cinematic/video/17599983/

I've had the same feeling, as when they searched for Shannan Gilbert and discovered so many other bodies.

 

[jamicat]

https://twitter.com/wusa9/status/524552048256516096
#BREAKING REPORT: Police expected to receive autopsy today on body found in Hannah Graham search --> http://on.wusa9.com/1opVYAv

I think LE is going by protocol with all of this. They have used a lot of their resources, pushed a lot of things on back burners to give this case top priority. Now that they have her body (and, yes, I believe it's Hannah), JM is safely behind bars, not mulling around the public, it's not so essential to call for a rush on things just because so many people are so curious. I'm sure that the parents have privately been given certain news such as if there was a dental match, more quickly, so they don't have to read about it, hear about from the news, but we all just have to wait. I also think that most other info will not be released until the trial, at the trial from this point on, as LE has what they wanted. I think a lot of sharing was done in this case to get the public to participate. Don't need that anymore.

 

[mirv22]

The other picture was much clearer and the white objects were more pronounced as being symmetrical (square or rectangle). It was to the right of the other picture, which actually would be further into the property past the creek bed and trees in an open field and I do not believe in the location of these. I just used this as an example of what was in the other picture. I wish I could find that picture! Thank you!

Hmm...this photo perhaps?
http://www.c-ville.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/oldlynchburgcrimescene-660x335.jpg

 

[jamiect]

If it isn't Hannah, then LE will so say, and more searches for Hannah would likely start up. It took 4 days for MH's ID to be announced. And this was a Saturday find. If LE doesn't announce by the end of the week, it starts getting suspicious to me. Unless she did not go to a dentist or the dental records were not available. Yes, I know some folks who have never had dental exrays done, or just done of their molars Unlikely for someone of Hannah's background but possible.

Morgan's remains were found on 1/26/2010 and identified on 1/27/2010. COD has never been released.

CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA (WWBT) - Using dental records, investigators confirmed today what her family already suspected, the remains found yesterday belong to missing Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington who disappeared in October.
http://www.nbc12.com/story/11887685/...gan-harrington

Morgan Harrington's skeletal remains were found Tuesday on an isolated, 700-acre cattle farm about 10 miles outside of Charlottesville.Investigators said Wednesday the confirmation was based on dental records provided by Harrington's family.
http://www.wric.com/story/11882052/m...ins-identified

 

[razzledazzle]

The other picture was much clearer and the white objects were more pronounced as being symmetrical (square or rectangle). It was to the right of the other picture, which actually would be further into the property past the creek bed and trees in an open field and I do not believe in the location of these. I just used this as an example of what was in the other picture. I wish I could find that picture! Thank you!

I think I know the pic you are looking for. I hunted it down last night myself and saved it on my laptop. I'm at work, but might know where to find it. Give me a few minutes....

 

[Hillbilly]

With the access to media lately and the fact that we live in a society that craves instant gratification, I know the waiting for the remains to be identified is frustrating. However we have to keep in mind that DNA analysis doesn't happen like on CSI, it takes time. LE has been doing a crawling search, at times using magnifying glasses, in order to find and secure any and all evidence. As he is obviously a serial offender, it is only prudent that they search the immediate area to eliminate or find evidence that it may or may not be his dumping ground. You can second guess everything, but rest assured that LE involved with this case has a reason for everything, including what information they are currently releasing. If you knew the information that isn't being released it would blow your mind.

Rest assured that some of the answers you crave will be answered soon, but the real important thing here is to develop an air tight case against the offender which isn't tainted by giving out too much information. I would not be surprised if a gag order isn't handed down shortly from the courts, I know an informal one has been handed down to those close to the case who are only interested in justice for his victims.

 

[Bravo]

Looks like we will get confirmation today. Sigh......

 

[mirv22]

Morgan's remains were found on 1/26/2010 and identified on 1/27/2010. COD has never been released.

CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA (WWBT) - Using dental records, investigators confirmed today what her family already suspected, the remains found yesterday belong to missing Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington who disappeared in October.
http://www.nbc12.com/story/11887685/...gan-harrington

Morgan Harrington's skeletal remains were found Tuesday on an isolated, 700-acre cattle farm about 10 miles outside of Charlottesville.Investigators said Wednesday the confirmation was based on dental records provided by Harrington's family.
http://www.wric.com/story/11882052/m...ins-identified

Jamiect, your name is too similar to jamicat...I'm going to get confused.

 

[trigger]

Im feeling the same way, I didn't at first but now I'm not sure.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

http://www.readthehook.com/67960/pantera-find-shirt-15th-street-was-morgan-harringtons

According to Virginia State Police spokesperson Corinne Geller, the forensic testing on the shirt wasn't complete until the last few weeks–- law enforcement did not know the results in January, when the shirt was first publicly reported, she says–-and police are not releasing any details on the condition of the shirt. Police are still waiting on forensic testing results from Morgan's remains and Anchorage Farm, Geller says, and the Medical Examiner hasn't yet released a cause or time of Morgan's death, which has been ruled a homicide.

I am wondering if the ME & foresics team didn't put dental records on hold until the remains could be examined and any DNA extracted before it was further compromised. LE was still waiting for results of forensic testing months after Morgan's remains were found.

Also, notice that there is a tweet from a reporter in following link that there is video of HG and JM after leaving Tempo. This is the first time I have seen that in print. I hope it's true but wish someone would check the validity of this report with the reporter.

http://wtvr.com/2014/09/21/arrest-warrant-issued-for-jesse-matthew-in-hannah-graham-mystery/

Melissa J. Hipolit @MelissaCBS6
Follow
Detective: We do have video of #HannahGraham and Matthew together after they left Tempo restaurant @CBS6
3:45 PM - 21 Sep 2014

 

[jamiect]

Jamiect, your name is too similar to jamicat...I'm going to get confused.

No worries, I don't post often.

 

[teeandcee]

And this was a Saturday find. If LE doesn't announce by the end of the week, it starts getting suspicious to me.

This is pretty much how I feel. I do think it's HG based on things I've stated in past posts, but I'm open to other possibilities if it takes a lot longer.

Is it possible the teeth weren't all there on the remains? I don't know how dental ID's work. I'm assuming they need teeth with certain characteristics to match, but several important teeth missing could certainly complicate matters.

 

[newshound6]

I think the remains are Hannah, hence the parental meeting and the calling off of the searches. We the public don't really need to know "up to the minute" info. now that pros are conducting the fine tooth comb search. The ME perhaps just had to complete all testing etc...

 

[HauntsForHope]

Wow, I just asked Todd Matthews from NAMUS, if it were possible to be all bones at 5 weeks in VA outdoors and he said
"Todd Matthews: Indeed they can. Doesn't take long at all." So now I'm back on the fence... lol

 

[jamicat]

This is pretty much how I feel. I do think it's HG based on things I've stated in past posts, but I'm open to other possibilities if it takes a lot longer.

Is it possible the teeth weren't all there on the remains? I don't know how dental ID's work. I'm assuming they need teeth with certain characteristics to match, but several important teeth missing could certainly complicate matters.

Skull without teeth? I don't think so. But maybe no dental xrays? But I doubt that. It looks like we'll find out today whether the official ID is that the find is Hannah.

 

[Elley Mae]

When I first heard Mr. Terry's description, I took it to mean they found a skull and bones. There was a long vertebrae and the bones they found were not crushed or broken and were intact. To me that means there was not a complete skeleton and some of the bones were separated. JMO

I haven't mentioned this and I don't want it to be taken literally but last week I spoke to a friend from another state and asked her what she had heard, (I like to hear what others take from reading or watching news) and she said she heard on the news that the remains were found in pristine condition. I never said a word other wise. I have no idea what was said but that is what she took away from what she heard. jmo idk

 

[JohnTate90210]

Is it possible the teeth weren't all there on the remains? I don't know how dental ID's work. I'm assuming they need teeth with certain characteristics to match, but several important teeth missing could certainly complicate matters.

From photos, it appears Hannah had very nice teeth. If she had no fillings or special work, would a dental ID be more difficult?

 

[waltzingmatilda]

When I first heard Mr. Terry's description, I took it to mean they found a skull and bones. There was a long vertebrae and the bones they found were not crushed or broken and were intact. To me that means there was not a complete skeleton and some of the bones were separated. JMO

ILOKAL, I heard someone on CNN yesterday say that the skull and torso were seperated from the other bones. I was under the weather yesterday and could kick myself for not rewinding and DVRing that portion of the program to see if I heard what I thought I heard.