http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/03172000spitzondiscovery.htm transcript by listener on 3/18/2000 Narrator Lyn Cannon Guest Forensic pathologist Dr. Werner Spitz From handwriting analysis to the autopsy, the lastest twist in what the evidence may reveal about this gruesome crime. Six year old JonBenet Ramsey is back in the news this week. The girl's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, are out with a new book that proclaimed their innocence, and offers a psychological profile about who they think killed their daughter. The case has stumped authorities for 3 yrs. One of the most basic questions that has gone unanswered,--- what weapons were used in the murder? THE WEAPON: LC: From the day the body was found, investigators knew that Jon Benet Ramsey, suffered a severe blow to the head, as well as strangulatiion with a cord. But which came first? Determining that could tell a great deal about the motive and the killer. Investigators speculate strangulation first could mean a sex crime. If the blow came first, it might point to a kidnapper or a crime of rage. Dr.Warner Spitz has conducted more than 50,000 autopsies. In 1997, he was consulted by the Boulder police investigating the murder. He says he reviewed more than 100 autopsy photos which have never been released to the public. You believe JBR was hit on the head first, and then strangled. Dr. WS: Yes. LC: But in reports published this week, a former detective, who also worked on the case, claimed the head wound did not bleed enough to be the first injury, but Spitz says, he can prove his case, and it's believed the Boulder police agree. Dr.WS: Because there was hemmoraging in the brain. LC: There was hemmoraging in the brain? Dr.WS: There was hemmoraging in the scalp, in the skin,in other words, LC: Spitz says those hemmorages would not have formed if JB was already dead of strangulation when she suffered the head injury. Dr.WS: She did have a circulation....she did have blood clots, she did have heart beat, she did breathe, for awhile, after the head injury. LC:Let me say that the noose, made of cord similar to this, was not tied around her neck after death. He believes that she was dying of the head injury while she was strangled. His evidence,...a tell tale pattern of hemmoraging on the internal surface of her eye lids. Petechial or penpoint hemmorages. Dr.WS: When strangulation occurs, there is a point where the blood vessels to the neck get obstructed. The blood still flows into the head, but it doesn't flow out. LC: That's because veins, which have lower blood pressure, are shut off first. Arteries, with higher blood pressure, keep flowing longer. Dr.WS: ........?..there is increased pressure above the knees, and tiny little blood vessels in the eyes and around the eyes, may break. LC: Jon Benet eyes did show this pattern of hemmoraging, indicating, Spitz says, that her heart was still beating when the noose was applied. And there's always then another question: was Jon Benet sexually assaulted, and when? Experts disagree, but Spitz's review tells him that Jon Benet had no history of sexual abuse. But a splinter found during the autopsy tells him she was sexually assaulted at the time of her death, perhaps with the artist's paintbrush tied to the cord around her neck. Dr.WS: I believe that this..?.pressure occurred at the time that she died, or just before, or during. LC: But Spitz thinks the sexual assault was an attempt to disguise the crime scene, to make it look like a sex crime. Dr.WS: I believe that the injury to the head was first, knocked her out. I think everything else here was staging. LC: Spitz maintains the blow to the head was the central element of the murder, and he carefully studied JB's fatal scull fracture. Dr.WS: ...? it was perfectly rectangular. That piece of bone that was knocked out, remained attached on a hinge,and was bendable. LC: The size and shape of the fracture was so distinctive, Spitz decided to conduct his own tests, reenacting the injury. Dr.WS: You could do it on syrofoam, you could do it on cardboard, you could do it on bone. I did it on all three. LC: Published reports this week, speculate a baseball bat, found outside the house, might be the murder weapon. Spitz's tests lead him to a weapon inside the house. Dr.WS: I would certainly believe that the flashlight is the instrument of death. LC: What makes you so sure that it's compatible. How do you know? Dr.WS: Because it fits right into the ....?.. It doesn't fit into the defect where it leaves some area to play with. It fits perfectly. LC: Not any flashlight, but a specific type police reportedly found in the Ramsey home. Dr.WS: The flashlight was raised above the head of the perpetrater and,a hand down,...with this portion , this wide, breaking the bone. LC: So who did it? Here...forensic pathology comes up short. The autopsy tells Spitz only what was done, not by whom..... There has been lots of speculation about which occurred first--the head injury or the strangulation. Here we have Dr. Spitz saying that he reviewed over 100 autopsy photos that were never released to the public. I don't think I realized that. Just a reminder to me that so much of what we think we know about this case, we do not because we haven't been privvy to all the information.