Still Missing HI - Ariel Sellers AKA 'Isabella Kalua', 6, last seen asleep in bdrm, Waimanalo, 12 Sep 2021*Arrests

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  1. 10ofRods

    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    Yes, all states are different. California is probably the most regulated in terms of adoptions.

    I also think Hawaiian authorities are more likely to prosecute in a case like this, where they believe prior signs of abuse, coupled with suspicious behavior at the time of disappearance is enough.
     


  2. Knox

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    I'd like to know if HPD/FBI are still at the home today. Are they digging?
     
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  3. Knox

    Knox Well-Known Member

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    Here is some information - Hawaii State Adoption Assistance Program

    I just realized I don't know if the Kalua's have children of their own? It's been said that Lehua is closely/privately connected to the kid's social worker. Which makes me very angry, it makes sense that the prior abuse investigation found them not to be at fault.

    In AJ Freund's case, CPS was arrested and charged Two ex-DCFS workers charged with endangering life of AJ Freund months prior to boy’s death
    Hope HPD and the State are looking closely to see if Lehua's "friend" should be investigated and charged!
     
  4. formerlyme

    formerlyme Well-Known Member

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    This is all so heartbreaking and it happens over and over, in az a family had adopted several children, and had been investigated by cps several times and a little girl in their care just disappeared, she was found deceased in their attic. How can someone adopt again after having several cases with cps, cases in which they were deemed at fault?
     
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  5. SuperTmo

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    It’s definitely state specific as to whether financial support ends if the child is adopted from foster care. I have a friend who adopted two from CA foster care. Neither are special needs and she still gets a stipend for them every month, in addition to food benefits, Medicaid, and free daycare. They moved to Texas at the start of covid and the food and medical benefits for the kids just transferred to Texas paying for them, but CA is still paying their monthly care stipend. The only ones in the family that qualify for food and insurance benefits are the two adopted ones. It really surprised me that you can adopt kids and still have the state pay for them.
     
  6. SuperTmo

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    This case is so unfortunate. I hope her Ariel’s older sister is able to share enough info about what happened to her to bring the killers to justice, but I hope none of the kids witnessed her actual killing. I pray the siblings get the support they need going forward to live healthy and happy lives.
     
  7. Deerstop

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    CPS dropped the ball in this situation. They took the kids and placed them in foster care with a parent who had a felony criminal record showing violence. I'm so sorry for what Ariel and her siblings went through during her time in that home.
    My condolences to her bio family. This whole situation makes me so sad and angry.
    MOO
     
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  8. 24Roses

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    Another beautiful child gone too soon but forever safe with Jesus.
     
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  9. OceanElix

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    BBM this isn’t correct, payments and reimbursements are given to adoptive parents in the UK.
    These differ between agencies and local authorities around the country.

    Payments are not usually given in the same way as if you were fostering a child ie regular payments every week.
    However there is a means tested/panel discretion 'adoption allowance' and this can be paid every week/month to the adoptive parents until the adopted child/ren are 18.

    I wonder what the adoption process is like in HI.
    In England it is intensive and very invasive, all aspects of the prospective adopter/s lives are explored in depth, past and present, this includes finances, criminal checks etc.

    It's worrying finding out about the adoptive parents financial situation.
    I really hope they showed those children love and weren't motivated only by money.

    I find it absolutely awful that 'Foster carer' is considered a job and many do this just for the financial incentives. :(
     
  10. Dave99

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    Yes, they are still searching. I just drove by at 6pm, Hawaii time, and there was a large police presence and activity in the yard. It looks likely to continue tomorrow. I couldn't snap any photos since HPD had the entire block closed off and there wasn't a safe place to park on the well travelled street by the entrance to the street they live on. I saw tents up and activity in the yard using some sort of moving device (couldn't tell what it was). Local news says they were removing street manholes and searching there today, too. I sure hope they find her so she can a have respectful burial and criminal case can succeed quickly, plus some closure for her biological family.
     
  11. Knox

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    Thanks for the update @Dave99. I was surprised not to see any media follow up today at the home. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the two sitting in jail, saved LE all the time searching and just told where Ariel is? Conscience, do they have one?
     
  12. MissChanandlerBong

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    It’s mind boggling.
    I know every state has different processes, procedures, rules, etc but in my state I had to provide financial information to foster and even more to adopt. I had to provide multiple financial references or a credit check, they looked at my taxes, proof of income, debts, etc. Forms were sent out yearly to update financial status which you had to do to maintain an foster home. If you adopt and receive a post adoption subsidy they still require you report this information yearly.

    I looked at Hawaii’s regulations and from what I saw it was vague. It just basically said before placing foster child they should verify adequate income. Maybe they did initially and things changed but it didn’t have the same specific guidelines and requirements like my states regulations do. Also, the interpretation of adequate is often left up to a caseworkers with too many cases and so I think things don’t get vetted like they should. I’m from a small rinky dinky town but my social worker could’ve headed up the Pentagons security. She checked everything monthly…fire extinguisher dates, their mattresses, receipts proving that I bought food, clothing, etc. She was intense, but I loved her for taking my children’s welfare so seriously. I wish Ariel could’ve had that level of advocacy and support.

    https://humanservices.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/17-1625-Final-12-9-10.pdf
     
  13. LucyRocket

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    Absolutely. I've supported young care leavers who've suffered horrific abuse in foster care. I've also been made aware of young children being abused in current foster care and reported it and nothing was done. I do know a few people who can't be bothered to go to work and became foster carers and have an income of £40,000 annually, which is almost as much as I earn having been to university and spent 20 years building a career (which of course means that they are financially far better off than I am because their income is not taxed and they don't have the expenditure of someone going out to work such as fuel and childcare costs).

    What the answer is I don't know, because if it wasn't paid people wouldn't do it. It's an education for me to see that in some states the payment is £300 per month, whereas in the UK it's nearer £2,000.
     
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    Great update - now where is this little one buried?
     
  15. GuyfromCanada

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    HONOLULU (AP) — A biological sister of a 6-year-old Hawaii girl reported missing by their adoptive parents told police the parents forced her to keep it a secret that Isabella Kalua was not breathing inside a dog cage in the bathroom, with duct tape on her mouth and nose.

    The new details were revealed in documents filed in court Friday to justify the arrests of Isaac and Lehua Kalua, who adopted Isabella and two of her siblings and were foster parents to another of her biological siblings, on suspicion of second-degree murder.

    More at Sister: Hawaii girl was inside dog cage and not breathing
     
  16. HM99

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    OMG
    They tortured that little girl and made the others watch. (IMO)
     
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    sweet jesus :(
     
  18. I wonder

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    Dear God. I’m crying. I am completely unable to comprehend why anyone would do this to anyone, let alone a child. It’s evil. I don’t know what else to say.
     
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  19. cvaldez1975

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    me too :(
     
  20. TxLady2

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    OMG. Every time I think I've seen the worst of humanity.... If you can even call these monsters human.
     
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