HI - Finley Boyle, 3, Dies After Root Canals, Honolulu, 2014

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I have so much to say but do not want to sound like I am blaming anyone but the negligent and untrained so called, "Dentist"
Also, I will never understand the need for so many root canals to be performed on a child so young?
So much incompetence and such a crime.
Such a tragedy.

God Bless the family.
Rest in Peace sweet child.

Goz
 
Frigga said:
Our children's dentist wants to put my son, who also happens to have Down syndrome, under anesthesia in her office to pull a couple of teeth for braces. I am beginning to rethink this, or at least think an oral surgeon may be the way to go. Sorry for the OT!
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I have the BEST oral surgeon now. He is so gentle and great attitude.
He had to extract my 2 failed root canals. :banghead:

No general anesthesia was needed. Easy peasy, no pain. Just Novocain. He asked if I wanted general, I said NO, not necessary.

When I was younger, late teens/early 20's I had 3 wisdom teeth removed.
At that time I was put out with IV by that surgeon (key word SURGEON)- I suspect for a very short time. As I remember, also easy, no pain, recovery was fast.

That aside, who does this on baby teeth???????? :jail:

PS: I suspect my previous dentist was raking me over the coals. Procedures that were un-needed including 2 failed root canals + a badly missed cavity....
I could go on. IMO he was after the $$$$$$$. He took me for over $6,000 and I questioned every move at the time and challenged him along the way.

Dentists are VERY expensive. They WILL rip you off if they can. Be vigilant and do your research!! :twocents:

PPS: if your son is a good patient, and not fearful, and you have a dedicated, personable DDS with good staff opt for local anesthesia. :twocents:
 
Please educate yourself about root canals.

I have a friend who has been told she needs 2 RC.
No one wants to lose a tooth. We can save it, they say.

I will never get another RC. :twocents:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/18/dangers-of-root-canaled-teeth.aspx

RC = $$$$$ in DDS pocket. :twocents:

Whenever I went to DDS, and they put that lead apron on your torso while taking xrays, I would ask/say; " But you're blasting my head/brain-NOT my torso" Think about it........... :moo:
 
I'm glad about the way many dental offices are now, open with half-walls or dividers between chairs.

In the bad old days, I had to have 8 teeth removed (baby and adult) for braces and had to go to an oral surgeon. I was alone in a room, they told my mother to stay in the waiting room (in those days you complied).

This oral surgeon was so mean. I was 8 or 9 and didn't understand how they were going to do this--I was thinking it was going to be like on the 3 Stooges where they tie my teeth to a doorknob or something. I had a tear rolling down my face but I wasn't audibly crying.

This guy told me I was a baby and I should be ashamed of myself and was in general mean during the whole thing.

My mother said I came out pale as a ghost and I remember her asking me a million times if I was okay, and her asking what happened to me, why was I so pale?

I didn't tell her until years later and she was so upset, said if she had known she would have punched the dentist in his mouth.
 
Frigga said:
Our children's dentist wants to put my son, who also happens to have Down syndrome, under anesthesia in her office to pull a couple of teeth for braces. I am beginning to rethink this, or at least think an oral surgeon may be the way to go. Sorry for the OT!
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Tell them ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Get an oral surgeon and at minimum, if they are going to use a general anesthesia, it needs to be done in a hospital or outpatient surgery setting ONLY. No office. If they claim nobody will do it in that setting, get an oromaxillofacial surgeon, they will.
 
Just sickening! I hope the dentist fries!
 
I just typed a long response and it went *poof* and disappeared! Argh.

Since 1990, I have been a Pediatric Dental Assistant in a practice with ONLY Board Certified Pediatric Specialists, and clearly this child should have survived a very common and not difficult procedure. What the article calls a root canal is actually called a pulpotomy on baby teeth and is simpler and different than a root canal on a permanent tooth. It's common, and not always due to decay, since many kids fall and smack their two front teeth. It's done to save the teeth whose injury or decay is to or in the pulp.

Because we have seven locations, and are the only Pediatric Specialists who take Medicaid, we see hundreds of kids and handicapped adults every year with 5-20 decayed teeth. Often their age and/or level of cooperation make it necessary to take them to the hospital and do everything at once. They just aren't capable of sitting for 4-5 appointments, 4-5 times getting a local injected, etc. It protects their developing psyche to put them out, do everything at once, they don't remember, and then they are happy to see us in six months. But the ONLY way we will do it is at the hospital, in the O.R. With a qualified anesthesiologist who works primarily with children. That is the way this child should have been treated. My practice has done this weekly for more than 30 years without incident.
I sincerely hope this "doctor" gets punished to the fullest extent.
 
I have never heard of toddlers getting root canals. Those procedures are usually for adults, especially when they get older. Root canals are quite painful. :eek:
 
My DS had a partial root canal on one front tooth, and a full one on the other front tooth at one time, at 3 yrs. old...Just under novacane (sp?). He was the only one worked on during this time, no other appointments were scheduled. Both done under an hour, and all staff were in there with him. I never thought twice about having it done, I have bad teeth and have also been going to the DDS since I can remember.
 
jjenny said:
Exactly. I am an adult and had a bunch of feelings replaced by a dentist because like everybody else I just assumed that dentist won't do something not necessary. Now I am far from convinced I actually needed to have all these feelings replaced. I feel that most likely they could have lasted for a good while more.
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Same here. I had a dentist replace all my silver fillings with white ones. Guess what? White fillings don't last as long and I've had several - that were only a few years old - replaced.

As to the story at hand, I can't imagine allowing someone to perform that many root canals on an adult, never mind a child. I can't believe the dentist thought this was a good idea.

I need to stop coming to WS -- all I'm reading about are airplanes and dentists: the two things I am afraid of! :eek:
 
After reading about the case we are discussing, I am far from convinced poor little Finley needed that much dental work to begin with. I really wish criminal charges were brought against this doctor for some sort of negligence.
 
jjenny said:
After reading about the case we are discussing, I am far from convinced poor little Finley needed that much dental work to begin with. I really wish criminal charges were brought against this doctor for some sort of negligence.
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Criminal charges have been brought, finally. The wheels of justice grind slowly.

I think the dentist demonstrated sufficient recklessness and knowledge of the potential damage that she should have been charged with second degree murder, but I'll take manslaughter, plus the other 36 charges. Manslaughter vs murder makes it more likely that she'll be convicted, and face actual prison time for what she did. Little Finley would probably be starting kindergarten this year if she had lived thru this horrific dental chamber of horrors. It's sickening, what this dentist and her staff did.

It is exceedingly rare for medical providers to be charged criminally for their actions in patient care-- the circumstances have to be particularly egregious for a prosecutor to go there. But the grand jury agreed, and returned an indictment. Conrad Murray (the Michael Jackson death doctor), for example, was only charged with ONE single count of manslaughter, and did only 2 years in jail (not prison) of his paltry 4 year sentence. I think he should have been charged with second degree murder, too, but prosecutors rarely go there.

Kailua dentist indicted for manslaughter in dental death case

Former Kailua dentist Lilly Geyer was indicted by an Oahu grand jury late today and charged with manslaughter in connection with the death of 3-year-old Finley Boyle, who fell into a coma during a dental procedure Dec. 3, 2013 and later died.

Attorney General Doug Chin announced that Geyer faces 37 counts in the indictment, including numerous instances of medical assistance fraud and prohibited acts related to controlled substances.

A bench warrant was issued for Geyer’s arrest and bail was set at $100,000.
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http://www.staradvertiser.com/break...dicted-for-manslaughter-in-dental-death-case/

Kailua dentist indicted for manslaughter in death of toddler patient

It’s been almost three years since 3-year-old Finley Boyle died after a trip to the dentist. Now the state is pursuing criminal charges against the former dentist.

Boyle was given a highly potent mixture of sedatives prior to receiving root canals at Island Dentistry in Kailua. She fell into a coma and later died.

Her former dentist, Lilly Geyer, has been charged with manslaughter, among other offenses, because the charges go beyond just Boyle’s case.

Almost three years after the death of Boyle, her family is a step closer to justice. After a lengthy investigation, the attorney general’s office indicted Dr. Lilly Geyer on 37 counts including manslaughter, assault, prohibited acts related to controlled substances, and medical assistance fraud. Michael Green, Geyer’s attorney, spoke with KHON2 on Thursday, “I’m sick to my stomach I have empathy for the loss of this girl certainly my client never intended any of it other than to treat patients.”
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http://khon2.com/2016/09/08/kailua-dentist-indicted-for-manslaughter-in-death-of-toddler-patient/

And thankfully, charges are also being brought against the dental assistant that worked with the dentist, Lily Geyer, for other actions in another case. This dental practice wasn't following any kind of accepted standards, IMO. An unlicensed individual giving powerful narcotics to a toddler for a dental exam in a clinic office is beyond reckless.

I have some really strong opinions about the safe administration of anesthesia in an office setting, particularly administered to small children. There is definitely a safe limit to what can and should be given by non-anesthesia providers in that setting-- particularly when the dentist is also the "operating provider". If a child needs more than a little light sedation, IMO, the case should be done in a surgery center with licensed anesthesia providers. This dental assistant is an unlicensed provider, and never should have been giving ANY medications-- supervised, or not.

Kailua dental assistant charged after toddler rendered unconscious for hours

A Kailua dental assistant is accused of giving narcotics to a two-year-old patient while she was undergoing a routine checkup.

Nicole “Momi” Dudoit, 29, was charged with assault in the second degree and two counts of prohibited acts related to controlled substances.

The state is charging Dudoit for a checkup at Island Dentistry for Children that occurred on Nov. 20, 2013.

Island Dentistry for Children is the same dental office that another toddler, three-year-old Finley Boyle, visited just two weeks later. She was supposed to get four root canals, but fell into a coma and never woke up.
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http://khon2.com/2016/03/09/kailua-...ter-toddler-rendered-unconscious-for-hours-2/
 
And look at what was going on in this case a year ago-- it's a miracle that charges were ever pursued.

A Kailua mother is upset that police have closed their investigation into her daughter's dental tragedy.
Ashley Puleo has been anxiously waiting for the criminal case against Dr. Lilly Geyer to move forward. After calling around last week, she was shocked to discover that the detective had ended the investigation since the medical examiner classified Finley Boyle's death as an accident.

"He told me that they had met with a group of colleagues and they had decided that it was not intentional," said Puleo.

Hawaii News Now has learned that the state is investigating whether Dr. Geyer's license to prescribe certain narcotics was in good standing when she performed the toddler's dental work.

"I do believe there is gross, gross negligence on multiple levels and that she should absolutely be criminally charged," Puleo said.

Dr. Geyer's insurance company agreed to pay the family an undisclosed amount of money to settle a lawsuit last September.
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http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/...se-criminal-investigation-into-dental-tragedy

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/...ental-safety-a-year-after-finley-boyles-death

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/...dental-tragedy-case-regarding-3-year-old-girl

http://khon2.com/2015/10/26/judge-d...t-to-withhold-records-in-state-investigation/

A former Kailua dentist under investigation by the attorney general’s office is being ordered to hand over records.

At a court hearing Monday morning, the attorney for Dr. Lilly Geyer accused the state of going on a fishing expedition, and asked a judge to block the state’s request for the documents.

The judge denied that request.

However, the attorney general is now conducting a criminal investigation related to three specific allegations:

That Dr. Geyer prescribed, utilized and directed her staff to administer controlled substances without a state license,
That she committed Medicaid fraud by submitting invalid claims, and
That she violated laws, rules and regulations and professional standards in treating children which caused harm to them.
Geyer’s attorney, Michael Green, said in court Monday that the office unintentionally prescribed narcotic medication with an expired license.

“After about 30 or 40 days, someone in my client’s office said, ‘Wait a minute, we forgot to renew your license to be able to dispense narcotic medication. So they sent the check over and it was immediately reinstated,” he said. “This thing has turned into a witch hunt… It’s like running over an ant with a steamroller.”
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September 12, 2016

Correction: Dental Death-Toddler story

 In a story Sept. 8 about a former dentist charged with manslaughter, The Associated Press reported erroneously the cause of death a 3-year-old patient. According to the attorney representing the girl's parents, the death certificate for Finley Boyle said she died of cardiac arrest, not a heart attack.

A corrected version of the story is below:

Hawaii dentist charged with manslaughter in death of girl, 3

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A former Hawaii dentist has been charged with manslaughter for the 2014 death of a 3-year-old girl who suffered cardiac arrest during a dental procedure

A grand jury indicted Lilly Geyer Thursday on 37 counts, including manslaughter, medical assistance fraud and assault, the state attorney general's office said.

Finley Boyle lapsed into a coma after receiving an array of sedatives and anesthesia in preparation for cavity fillings and root canals, according to an autopsy report. The report concluded the cardiac arrest was likely the result of the five drugs, which included Demerol, hydroxyzine and chlorohydrate. She was also given laughing gas and an injection of a local anesthetic, lidocaine with epinephrine, the report said.

Richard Fried, the lawyer representing the girl's parents, said the death certificate cited cardiac arrest as the cause of death.

Geyer's practice, Island Dentistry for Children in Kailua, has since closed.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/12/correction-dental-death-toddler-story.html
 
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