His belongings?

Discussion in 'Luka Rocco Magnotta AKA Eric Newman' started by Channy, Jun 23, 2012.

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  1. sinwonderland

    sinwonderland New Member

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    I found the same listing (same picture) but it said it was listed on January 23.
     


  2. Haunted82

    Haunted82 New Member

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    Oh... well mine was dated June 16th, so that's how I put my pieces together.
    MAYBE.... they use that picture for all the units that are identical, then when you go see it, it's not exactly as it appeared to be. (wouldn't be a first).
     
  3. jacksonsquare

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    That mattress in the trash looks bigger than the twin mattress the murder was committed on. JMO. Would they just set all his stuff on the street for the weirdo-collectors to pounce on?
     
  4. Haunted82

    Haunted82 New Member

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    No, the mattress was indeed a double. That's the one. And hard as it is to believe, the bed, the couch and I think the kitchen table were just set out there for the trash after they'd done everything they needed to do with it. I saw a picture on an article earlier on in the case showing it being loaded into the garbage truck, so no person took it.
     
  5. mrs hunt

    mrs hunt New Member

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    I thought Luka rented it around that time{Jan?},maybe that was the prior add
    the owner just recycles the add because it is often vacated

    also I hope we will find out how much money he had on him when arrested,so we can know if anyone helped him escape
     
  6. OEJ

    OEJ Well-Known Member

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    In the months before the murder he was traveling to Europe and the United States, so I think he had his own money.
     
  7. Mozzmo

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    I do have to say I don't really get Canada's investigational style. Just seems like they left so much evidence at the scene. Chairs/couches/mattress/bloody refrig....just seems to me that additional evidence could have been on those items. At the very least, out of respect for Lin Jun, whatever the apt manager or police didn't want, they should have disposed of it discreetly rather then parking it on the curb like LM did. JMO.
     
  8. Sillybilly

    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    Not being in any way snarky here Mozzmo, but what type of evidence do you think could have been found that would help or hinder the investigation? I ask this question strictly because I'm trying to think how a defence attorney could possibly put a spin to that at trial.
     
  9. Mozzmo

    Mozzmo New Member

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    @SillyBilly

    Well, lots of types of evidence. Blood spatter patterns, dna, finger prints, fiber/other microscopic evidence...I am sure there's more but I know I'm not an evidence specialist, but surely it seems there could have been more evidence remaining on those items. Even if not, I think its in poor taste and insensitive to Lin Jun and his family to dump blood stained items out by the curb like that. Isn't that a biohazard anyways? The "looky-loo" type of people will just gravitate to that sort of stuff....
     
  10. Sillybilly

    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    ITA on the insensitivity aspect of it, and yes re the bio-hazard, depending on the time that transpired between blood spills and when the items went to the curb (i.e. certain viruses are no longer transmissible after exposure to air for "x" amount of time).

    WRT evidence, I can only surmise that anything/everything was collected related to the victim and the perp, that when combined with the video, would support the murder charge regardless of whatever else could have ultimately been found by way of forensic examinations. Furnished apartment could have unrelated forensic evidence (dna, prints, fibres, etc) of a countless number of previous tenants.
     
  11. Mozzmo

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    IMO they threw out evidence. Once you throw out those items you can't go back to them should there be a need. How could they possible know within the first few days if it was just LM behind this (which I believe is true)? Still, others could have theoretically been involved and leaving so much evidence behind seems careless and lacks prudence IMO. Why not at a bare minimum carefully store it because the case had/has yet to fully unravel and might they want those apt items for possible examination. Police officers often go repeatedly over photos/crime evidence looking for those parts that explain/identify criminals, accomplices and the what/where/why.
     
  12. Sillybilly

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    This is just an example ... they probably used a forensic vacuum on the couch to gather skin cells. Based on how many prior tenants, their relatives and guests, that could constitute a lot of DNA. IF there was another perp, they can only match found DNA to someone whose DNA is already on file. They will keep whatever was collected in an evidence locker and analyses will be on file for down the road ... in the event another perp ever came to light.

    JMO
     
  13. Mozzmo

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    @sillybilly

    I get what you're saying with your example, but IMO to discard the furnishings so quickly (within a day or two) into the investigation does not appear prudent to me. Perhaps in your vaccuum example they did collect evidence off these items. Still I doubt they collected it all. Sometimes the devil is in the detail. Just seems had they minimally held onto the items a while longer while they got their head wrapped around the case, they would have more investigating options if the facts didn't add up or if there was contradictory/exculpatory findings.
     
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    I'm of the opinion that LE would've taken the Casablanca poster as evidence if it was indeed still in the apartment. Especially since it was featured right in the video/preview photo.
     
  16. Silverlona

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    I just wanted to share the link to the article..
    No_Stone_Unturned asked about the poster and prima.facie wrote that maybe LRM
    threw it away.
    I don't have an opinion about the poster, it was just a thought.
     
  17. mrs hunt

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    I saw on youtube that Jun Lin had posted a photo of both sides of his visa card and his Chinese ID {see here,on youtube}::Jun Lin as he lived

    is it possible that Luka bought the airline ticket with Jun Lins credit card?

    also in the city I live in I just saw an apartment cleared out for re-model and they had
    a dumpster for all the items.I THINK THE CONTENTS FROM LUKAS APT at least deserved to be disposed by dumpster/private company for dignity/safety
    I hold that against the police and the landlord/owner
    that was wrong and sad

    All evidence should have been collected/documented to the BEST of their ability ,they may be sorry they don't have that at trial
     
  18. ToBeHonest

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    My thought has always been that it was LRM who scanned JL's ID online for use later. He wouldn't want to be caught carrying it because that would implicate him, but I have no doubt with his history of credit card fraud that he would have scanned it to use for various purchases until it was closed.
     
  19. AudreyRose

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    You think LM scanned the credit card info that was uploaded to Justin Rain's account on that photo web site? The account had several personal pictures of Jun Lin's and ID cards from his mother and another male (father?) so it certainly looks like a legitimate account from Jun Lin.

    Unless there's a different version of the credit card online that I haven't seen...
     
  20. Mozzmo

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    Very interesting point about the possibility of LM committing fraud using JL's credit card...especially given LM's prior history of fraudulent activity.

    I also completely agree about how I think Montreal LE are not very professional appearing nor victim-sensitive when it comes to how they treated the crime scene and furnishings. I've commented on this before on some thread here. Even the way the apt manager gave tours with blood in the refrig and the stained mattress still there...gross lack of emotional intelligence. If I recall the manager had a flippant attitude too, sort of like, "well bad things happen".

    I had not ever watched the Beavis Butthead video until now. I had avoided it at all costs just because I find the likes of him as repulsive. I was crestfallen after watching the video. IMO, Mr. Butthead once again denegrated the victim of this crime by mocking LE in the video and by including apparently mostly nude (butt shots) of JL. I seriously doubt JL would have wanted his buttocks/semi-nude pics included in a video memorial of himself...and put on youtube for all to see! Clearly these were intended for personal use only. He was not the exhibitionist that LM is. Would any of us want these types of photos included in a memorial video? "Butthead" is really a kind term for this creep....

    I am unclear about one thing. How did the copies of JL's Visa and Credit Card get online? That seems very odd to me that he would actually do that himself? Surely, JL knew that could be used by criminals to commit fraud?! Does anyone know where these photos were obtained?
     
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