Holland - Number of people injured in Tram shooting in Utrecht possible terrorism, 18 March 2019

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  1. glamourkitty1922

    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    It's been a very rough week in the field of world terrorism. We had Christchurch, then we have Amsterdam, then yesterday Italy had a Senegal bus driver torch a school bus full of 51 children. All in the name of terrorism.
     
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    Thankfully it ended well for the kids in the schoolbus,thanks to a student from Egypt..so I read :)
     
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    Verdachte Gökmen T. had schulden en zou woning kwijtraken

    Gökmen T., the suspect of the attack in Utrecht, was in debt and at risk of losing his home. This is apparent from recent court documents in the possession of RTL Nieuws. He would also be engaged and was planning to get married soon.

    T. was arrested last week after the attack in Utrecht in which three people died and five others were injured. But this was not the first time that T. came into contact with the justice system.

    T. had to appear before the police judge three weeks ago because of a burglary at a bicycle shop in Utrecht. At that hearing T. declared that he lived alone, lived on benefit and had debts because of outstanding traffic fines.

    It also became clear that in case of a possible prison sentence he would lose his home.

    T.'s lawyer asked the judge, during the session three-weeks ago, to take these circumstances into account. Nevertheless, the judge sentenced him to four months' imprisonment for burglary and theft of money from the shop's cash register. The judge did not consider a community service penalty to be appropriate in view of the fact that T. had often appeared before a judge already.

    According to T.'s lawyer, things went better for her client than in the period before. "My client is currently in an upward phase. He is engaged and is about to get married. His personal circumstances are now many times better than in the past," she told the judge.

    Before the judge, T. denied to be involved in the burglary. Although he was in a car that was used in the burglary, he only declared that he had joined later.

    According to the police, T.'s clothing and shoes were recognised on camera images, but his lawyer found the camera images 'not so clear'. The lawyer appealed against the decision. RTL Nieuws approached her, but she did not want to respond.


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    I wonder if they manage to trace the lucky bride.
     
  4. ZaZara

    ZaZara Well-Known Member

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    Gewonde man (74) na aanslag Utrecht overleden

    UTRECHT - One of the persons who were injured during the shooting in a tram in Utrecht has died. That was announced on Thursday.

    A 74-year-old man from De Meern in Utrecht-West has died. Three others died during the attack. Another five others, including the man who has died in the meantime, were injured.


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    RIP so sad.
     
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  5. ZaZara

    ZaZara Well-Known Member

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    The 74-year-old man who died today after being seriously injured during the attack in Utrecht, was not on the tram. The man was hit by several bullets on the 24 Oktoberplein while he was sitting in his car.

    Zoon slachtoffer aanslag Utrecht: 'Hij heeft zo veel pijn geleden'

    Son of victim Utrecht attack: 'He suffered so much pain.'

    "With a heavy heart I unfortunately have to announce that my father passed away this afternoon". Michael Hoveling writes it in a public message on Facebook. His 74-year-old father is the fourth victim of the shooting in a tram in Utrecht.

    The Public Prosecution announced today that the 74-year-old man died of his injuries in the hospital.

    "What this man has been through in the past eleven days is horrible," Michael writes. "He has suffered so much pain in these days, it is indescribable. Today we have freed him from this pain, however difficult it may be for us."

    There is still one seriously injured victim in the hospital, a 20 year old woman from Utrecht. A 21-year-old woman from Nieuwegein who was seriously injured was discharged from hospital this week.

    "As so many know, my father was always positive in life and he was a gourmand, he loved good food and good candy", Michael continues. "The bullets made it necessary to remove all the intestines, both large and small, and the rectum. This would mean that my father could never eat again and would have to to live 24 hours a day with tubes in his body, he would not have been mobile either."

    "I have saved him from this suffering, which has cost me so much effort, I am totally exhausted."

    The funeral will take place in private, Michael writes. There will be a register of condolence for everyone to express their support. Michael concludes: "Rest gently dad. I love you very much, although I did not tell you that enough."



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  6. ZaZara

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    Advocaat slachtoffer Utrecht reageert op Gökmen T.

    Lawyer Sébas Diekstra, assisting the father of Roos Verschuur, the young woman who was shot dead, has responded to the message that appeared today on Twitter. Peter R. De Vries shared the message that the terrorist suspect would have been radicalized in prison.

    The lawyer has indicated that he does not want to respond to the message in terms of content. Sébas Diekstra did have, on behalf of Roos' father, a message to the minister: He wants "immediate maximum disclosure about what happened around the suspect in the period leading up to the attack and how this information was shared with the various parties." This reaction comes after Peter R. de Vries shared a message on Twitter about Gökmen T.

    Text Peter R. de Vries:

    "A very reliable source reports to me that Gökmen T., the perpetrator of the attack in Utrecht, was seriously radicalised there shortly before his release from prison and that four detainees reported this, That is why in the work hall a altercation took place with a prison officer. T. wanted to pray on his prayer mat in the work-hall - against the rules. He thought that he had too little time for this and that it was too noisy to pray. He had an exchange of words about this with a guard - named Joop - and then headbutted him.

    As a disciplinary measure, Gökmen T. was placed in isolation, according to the source. During that measure he was released by the Court. The headbutt was not reported during the court session. Nor was this reported to the police. Four detainees reported separately that T. was radicalising and made disturbing statements.

    The Ministry of Justice and Security does not want to comment on this story at all. The same applies to the Lelystad prison where T. stayed."


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  7. worldwatcher

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    Lawyer victim Utrecht demands ministerial statement

    Lawyer Sébas Diekstra, who assists the father of the shot Roos Verschuur, has responded to the tip that appeared today on Twitter. Peter R. shared the message that the terrorism suspect would have been radicalized in prison.

    The lawyer has indicated that he does not want to respond to the message in terms of content. Sébas did, on behalf of Roos' father, have a message to the minister: "He wants" immediate maximum openness about what happened around the suspect in the run-up to the attack and how this information was shared with the various parties." This reaction comes after Peter R. de Vries on Twitter shared a message about Gökmen T.
    Advocaat slachtoffer Utrecht eist verklaring minister

    See that it is already posted by Zazara (TY) , but I am not going to delete this because I am so very angry and this could AGAIN easily be prevented!!
     
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  8. ZaZara

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    Tramschutter Gökmen T. mishandelde gevangenisbewaarder

    Tram shooter Gökmen T. assaulted prison guard

    Tram shooter Gökmen T., the suspect of the attack on the 24 Oktoberplein in Utrecht, has even more to answer for than was already known.
    Just before the deadly shooting in and around a tram, he also assaulted a prison guard. He was given a 'disciplinary punishment' for this.

    That is what Minister Grapperhaus (Justice and Security) writes to the House of Representatives. "I have been informed that T. has behaved aggressively towards an employee. Aggression against personnel is never tolerated." On 8 March, a report was filed about the assault by the employee concerned. The CDA minister reports that he is unable to make any further statements in the interests of the investigation.

    On 18 March, four people were killed in the attack in Utrecht. Gökmen T has to appear in court on 1 July on suspicion of multiple murder and manslaughter with a terrorist aim.

    T. has a long history when it comes to criminal offences. In the past he also had to appear for spitting on a policeman, rape, attempted manslaughter and burglary in a truck. Until the beginning of this year he was in pre-trial detention because he is suspected of rape, which took place in the summer of 2017.

    PVV leader Wilders calls it 'unbelievable' that T. was released so quickly. "On 1 March he is released. Unbelievable. On 18 March he shoots four innocent people,'' according to the PVV'er. He concludes that Grapperhaus has to resign.

    PvdA Member of Parliament Kuiken can hardly believe that T. walked on the street so soon after a report was made. "This man should never have walked there, if he did, information about him has not been properly shared." Kuiken concludes that the terrible attack could have been prevented. "No matter how painful that may be. The minister is awaiting a lively debate.''


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    This is a bit confusing. An attack on a prison guard was mentioned earlier, but this would not have been reported. So this was yet another attack?
     
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    According to NOS he assaulted the guard on Februari 25th, was released 4 days later on March 1st, and shot the people in the tram on March 18th.

    Aanslagpleger Gökmen T. mishandelde cipier vlak voor vrijlating

    I'm just over here shaking my head. Not thinking very highly of the justice system in The Netherlands, this and other cases (Anne Faber, Anne de Ruyter de Wildt, and more) combined. Lots of debating and talking going on over there, but when are they going to start locking the bad guys (male/female) up?! MOO

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    ETA: timeline from link:

    August 24, 2017: Gökmen T. is arrested for the rape of his girlfriend.

    September 21, 2017: Court suspends the detention, subject to conditions.

    November 18, 2017: T. held for healing, released.

    September 13, 2018: T. arrested for burglary, released.

    October 15, 2018: T. arrested for theft, released.

    January 4, 2019: T. gets locked up again because he does not adhere to conditions.

    February 25, 2019: T. assaults prison worker.

    February 27, 2019: T. asks again for detention suspension.

    March 1, 2019: The Court of Justice releases him under certain conditions.

    March 18, 2019: T. commits attack on tram in Utrecht, four dead.
     
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    65 rechercheurs werken nog elke dag aan onderzoek aanslag Utrecht


    65 policemen continue working daily on the investigation into the tram attack

    Every day 65 members of the police continue working on the investigation into Gökmen T., the man who carried out an attack on a tram in Utrecht on 18 March. This was announced this morning by acting Chief Prosecutor Rutger Jeuken.

    The city council of Utrecht was updated this morning for the first time during an extra information meeting about the attack on 18 March. Mayor Jan van Zanen, together with the police and the Public Prosecutor's Office, told how they proceeded during the 'very sad event'.

    On 18 March, 37-year-old Gökmen T. opened fire in a tram on the 24 Oktoberplein in the city. Four people were killed. Many others were injured.

    T. is suspected of multiple murder, or manslaughter, with a terrorist intent. In addition, the Public Prosecution Service suspects him of attempted murder and threats with a terrorist intent. T. has already confessed, but still at least 65 police officers are working on the case every day, under the direction of two public prosecutors.

    "It is an exceptional investigation," a spokesman of the Public Prosecution Service tells RTL News. "We try to get a better picture of the timeline of the shooting incident, but we also investigate every day what exactly was T's motive and purpose. If that turns out to be terrorist indeed, this will mean a heavier punishment for T."

    The city council had a lot of questions during this first meeting this morning, but didn't always get answers. For instance, what was written on that note that would have been found in T.'s getaway car and what did T. say in his interrogations with the police? Jeuken did not answer 'in the interest of the investigation'.
    Mayor Van Zanen didn't want to tell u how the victims are doing. "Out of respect for the next of kin, we no longer give any information about this," he explained. Jeuken did indicate that the victims will have a private information meeting with the Public Prosecution Service in June, when they will receive more information about the latest state of affairs.

    T. will have to appear in court for the first time on 1 July in a pro forma hearing, the case will not be dealt with in terms of content at that date.


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  12. ZaZara

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    Tram shooter Utrecht left a letter with his name and address in escape car.

    The note that the Utrecht tram gunner Gökmen Tanis left in his getaway car was an announcement from the Public Prosecution Service (OM) about the prosecution of the rape case in which he is a suspect. This letter allowed the police to quickly identify Tanis as a suspect in the attack. This is reported by well-informed sources near the Public Prosecution Service.

    On 18 March, during the attack on the 24 Oktoberplein in Utrecht, Tanis shot four people, two others were seriously injured. After the shooting in the tram, Tanis fled. He got into a Renault Clio, abandoned by a witness who had fled, and took off. A little later, the car was spotted by bystanders in the district of Ondiep. The car was parked there with the engine running at the Tichelaarslaan.

    On the dashboard, to the right of the driver's seat, a note was stuck prominently. On it was a handwritten text, confirmed by eyewitnesses and investigation sources: 'For my Muslim friends. Allahu Akbar'. For the Public Prosecution this text is one of the reasons to think that Tanis had a terrorist motive.

    According to sources around the investigation the piece of paper found is a torn-off letter from the Public Prosecution, addressed to Tanis. In the letter, the Public Prosecution writes that the rape case in which he is a suspect will be dealt with in the summer of 2019 at the District Court in Utrecht. The Ministry of Justice suspects him of raping his girlfriend Angelique in the night of 10 to 11 July 2017.

    After detectives removed the paper from the car, they saw the name of Tanis and his address on the paper. His name was run through the systems by the detective team in no time at all. The photo in the police system looked like the images that came in from the security cameras in the tram at that moment.

    Police officers who knew Tanis personally confirmed that it was Tanis. The police and the OM then decided to release Tanis's name and photo, after which a gigantic manhunt started. A few hours later he was arrested in a house on the Oudenoord by a heavily armed police team.

    Part of the investigation also concerns the question whether Tanis was radicalised prior to the attack. The investigation team received tips that Tanis had attended home meetings of the Turkish radical Islamic Kaplan movement. It is still unclear whether Tanis actually attended and to what extent these meetings contributed to his possible radicalisation. Minister of Justice Grapperhaus (CDA) is investigating possible earlier signs of Tanis' radicalisation. The Minister also looked into whether he had been radicalised in the prison in Lelystad.

    Tanis was only barely at liberty at the time of the attack. He was arrested at the end of August 2017, more than a month after the rape was said to have taken place. On 21 September 2017, his pre-trial detention was suspended and he was released under certain conditions.

    After a year, it turned out that he did not comply with these conditions, because he did not cooperate with a personality investigation. On 4 January 2019 he was detained again. On appeal it was decided that he could still await his trial in freedom, as a result of which he was released on 1 March. Recently it became clear that Tanis assaulted a prison guard in the prison in Lelystad on 24 February.

    The Public Prosecution, through spokesman Ties Kortmann, has indicated that it cannot answer questions from this website about the note. "The only thing we can say is that given the content of the note, the Public Prosecution takes a terrorist motive into account." Tanis's lawyer has been asked for comment, but does not want to react.


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    So, that was the 'note' that was mentioned earlier by a witness,plus it had his name and address on it??!
    Not many brain cells left,by all the drugs abuse,imo
     
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    Jihadist terrorists leave an ID to make sure the world knows that they were the ones who did this. But then they either perish or flee and hide.
     
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