How many people were at Skyline the morning of June 4?

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  1. BeanE

    BeanE Inactive

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    How many people were at Skyline the morning of June 4?

    I've started a few times to try to figure this out, and gotten distracted, so when I saw a couple posts about it, I thought maybe it was time to start a thread to see if we could figure it out.

    Actually, I think we need to try to figure out how many people would be at the school on an average day, and how many people were there on this special event day, so we can compare.

    To get this started, there were 275 students enrolled then.

    Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Kyron Horman Case Review #1: Thread #1: LE Press Conference & Release: June 5 2010



    On an average day, there are about 20 students absent.

    http://www.campussafetymagazine.com...ers-Security-After-2nd-Grader-Disappears.aspx


    There is 1 teacher for every 12 students.

    Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Kyron Horman Case Review #1: Thread #1: LE Press Conference & Release: June 5 2010



    So that would be about 255 students, and about 23 teachers. Total so far: 278.


    In addition to students and teachers, I can think of:

    - the parents attending the fair. No idea how to estimate how many kids had parents attending, how many had one parent, how many had two, how many had one or two parents plus a grandparent, neighbor, mommy's special friend, sibling, aunt, or cousin attend.

    - school administrative staff

    - vendors, contractors

    - volunteers (Are all volunteers parents? In other words, do we need to avoid double counting volunteers?)

    - miscellaneous visitors
     
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  3. scandi

    scandi New Member

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    Hi BeanE, I read that last night but am late now getting out the door.

    It was Terri that said there had to be 300 people there. It was in the one statement I've read where she describes her timeline of that morning. If I knew where it was I'd go get it quickly but would have to search again. Ta
     
  4. debs

    debs Former Member

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    Grounds keeper.

    There was a snotload of people there. That's all I know.
     
  5. BeanE

    BeanE Inactive

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    Perhaps a few of our members who are, or have been, teachers could weigh in with how many students were likely to have a parent attend the fair - a fourth, half, 3/4? And how many students would have two parents there - I *think* this would be a very low number because of work schedules.

    If we said a fourth to a half of the students had a parent there would that be a good range to go with?

    Or... does anyone recall if LE ever gave a number of parents that were at the school? I don't even remember them ever saying how many parents showed up for the interviews. But they did want to talk to parents even if they hadn't been at the school that day, I think to see if their child may have told them anything of note.
     
  6. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes All the boys think she's a spy...

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    BBM. That's a unit of measurement with which I'm not familiar ;) LOL!

    Not to mention, also, that people were probably coming and going throughout the morning hours. I get dizzy just thinking about how complicated it would have been to keep track of who was there, at what time, where they went in the building, when they left the building, where they parked... I feel a nightmare coming on, but I know that it was during the day ;)
     
  7. gliving

    gliving Just the facts, ma'am

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    I'd add in some grandparents for sure. My children's grandparents loved going to the school events. Also include a few Skyline community members as the sign out front invited the public to attend.
     
  8. loves2bmom

    loves2bmom New Member

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    Not a teacher here but schools really vary on volunteer/parent participation. Knowing a few things about Skyline, I think it's very similar to my own kids school. K-8 and pretty active parents. On a big event like this, we typically get about a quarter to a third of the parents show up. In a class of 30 kids, that means between 7-9 parents. That number also matches up to what was reported about them breaking up into groups of 4 kids with a chaperone. 30 kids divided by 4 would mean 7-8 chaperones. Now as you get into the older grades, participation dwindles. So keeping all that in mind...an educated guess from me would be about 45-50 parents total. :waitasec:
     
  9. BeanE

    BeanE Inactive

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    Thanks, loves. 50 is about a quarter of the average 255 students in attendance each day, and that seems like a good estimate to me. So many parents have to work these days, and I think the majority would be unable to make it to an event at that time and still get to work on time.

    So that would give us a new current total of about 328 people at the school that day.

    I can't find anything to tell me how many administrative staff members the school has. Anybody want to take a gander at that? I have no idea what a good estimate would be.
     
  10. passionflower

    passionflower Just 1 tip to find a killer

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    What has always bothered me is not how many people were there, but how many people saw KYRON and Th.
    My grandchildren go to small schools with huge participation on school projects like this.
    When I go, it is also like a social..........cookies, tea/ coffee.........
    I end up seeing other friends, children and grandparents, did no one talk with either of them?
    Was TH not liked? She was WELL KNOWN there..........yet no one is really saying how long or the times they both were REALLY there???
    No cliques that she ran with other moms? the teachers?
    It is all to strange for me.
    I think it is VERY funny about that Friday morning.
    How long did she stay?
     
  11. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes All the boys think she's a spy...

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    I wish we had information about how many students/parents were in the building on Thursday (after school?) to set up science fair exhibits in order to avoid the morning rush or because the parents would not be in attendance on Friday morning.
     
  12. BeanE

    BeanE Inactive

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    Would all/most of the chaperones also be parents?
     
  13. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes All the boys think she's a spy...

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    I'm guessing, but, yes, I think it's safe to say that the "chaperones" were likely parents of Skyline students. jmo
     
  14. debs

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    A snotload is not as much as a buttload, far away from a boatload, but by all means, stay away from a s-load!!!!! <3
     
  15. pufnstuf

    pufnstuf "Yes, she's emotionally disturbed. She's unbalance

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    Wow. For there to be SOOOO many people at Skyline on June 4, it sure was reckless and negligent for Terri to ditch a seizure- and confusion-prone Kyron in the hallway, amidst all those people.
     
  16. loves2bmom

    loves2bmom New Member

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    :floorlaugh:
     
  17. ThoughtFox

    ThoughtFox Expecting the Unexpected

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    I don't see how this can possibly be enumerated after the fact by people who weren't there. :waitasec:
     
  18. Tink56

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    Another way to look at the numbers is to say that Skyline had 50-75 extra people coming, looking at the exhibit, and going at different times during the 45 minutes the exhibits were on display. So the numbers aren't overwhelming, IMO, though the flow of people would be constant.

    I'm a secondary teacher so, as someone else noted, participation tends to drop off in our classroom events unless students are honors or AP kids. Evening or late afternoon events would probably have more parents in attendance.

    Judging Skyline by my own kiddos elementary school (small school with active parents), I wouldn't be surprised to see 50% participation by at least one parent in grades K-3, with a significant drop off in the upper elementary and middle school grades.

    I have tried to figure out which exhibits were in classrooms and which were in the auditorium/gym. Did the 1/2 classrooms keep all exhibits in their rooms? Most parents wouldn't visit all the other class exhibits either, so the numbers of parents wouldn't be the same in all classrooms, etc.

    TH was critical of the organization in the shared emails. I would like to know more specifically why she perceived it as such. What was lacking in the organization, if it was a "drop-in"/open house type event?

    I guess I'm looking for an explanation of the "chaos" that was criticized in that emails shared with the press.

    It would be nice to hear from someone who actuallly attended.
     
  19. loves2bmom

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    Here is a list of staff for this year. I think I read somewhere that it was pretty similar to last years list with only one or two changes.

    http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/160.htm
     
  20. JBean

    JBean Retired WS Administrator

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    some staff information:

    9 classroom teachers, educational resource teacher, PE specialist, music specialist, foreign language instruction provided by a Spanish enthusiast and library assistant

    http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/profiles/?id=186#staff

    more

    http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/160.htm
     
  21. BeanE

    BeanE Inactive

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    That's an important point, Tink - that we're not talking about everyone arriving at once, staying throughout the time, and then all leaving together. So even if we guesstimate a max number, the chances of them all being there at the same time are, I think, very slim.

    I also agree that we're likely not talking about great numbers more than were there on an average day.

    The other thing to keep in mind is that teachers and school admins are very much used to organizing and managing great numbers of people - and in this case, great numbers of young children. I don't think adding adults to the mix would result in chaos. School events occur with regularity, and the teachers and other staff have experience dealing with it.

    :cow:
     

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