I no longer believe that...

Discussion in 'Lisa Irwin' started by 4Jacy, Nov 9, 2012.

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  1. 4Jacy

    4Jacy New Member

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    DB or JI did anything deliberately to Baby Lisa. BL, as far as I believe, died either by drowning in the tub (because of DB being drunk), or being over medicated (by either of the parents), falling off the back deck, or baby shaking(unintentional - do to drinking)


    The photos; the way DB dressed BL, the fact that she named her after her mother, all the love I've seen shown by DB; this wasn't deliberate (MOO).

    I don't excuse either one of them, and I so hate what happened to this little baby. I hate the fact that they didn't own up; call 911, and not exploit LE, and other agencies, and our hearts!!!!
     
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  3. marycarney

    marycarney Inactive

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    Sorry - but being drunk IS intentional and so is shaking a baby, no matter what your state of sobriety.

    MOO and all that jazz.
     
  4. Clutchbag

    Clutchbag New Member

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    4Jacy why do you think she is dead?
     
  5. Clutchbag

    Clutchbag New Member

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    Ok Im thinking people think lisa is dead because of the cadaver dog hit, fair enough

    The ONLY red flag for me is the MOM not wanting to soeak to LE on her own here, why wouldnt she?
     
  6. passionflower

    passionflower Just 1 tip to find a killer

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    I often wondered if the older children accidently hurt her trying to take care of her for the drunken adults.
     
  7. Peazzzer

    Peazzzer I hate liars. Hate em.

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    nevermind
     
  8. Peazzzer

    Peazzzer I hate liars. Hate em.

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    Moo JMO moogli
     
  9. iamnotagolem

    iamnotagolem Active Member

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    Last night before I fell asleep I was thinking of Lisa and thinking about all of the lies, going through everything in my head. Then I had this thought....

    What if DB was really drunk and passed out and couldn't remember when she last checked on Lisa 6:30 or 10:30? What if Jeremy did come home to the door unlocked, lights on and screen bent? What if he came home and Lisa was crying in her crib and DB was passed out and not responding? Maybe he tried to calm Lisa down but in his anger towards DB maybe he shook Lisa maybe lack of sleep and DBs irresponsibility pissed him off and he shook Lisa to death. Then disposed of her body before waking up DB.

    Maybe he has convinced DB that it is basically her fault that Lisa is gone and has convinced her that she may have done something to Lisa while she was drunk? She is afraid she will go to prison, so she doesn't want to speak to LE.

    I absolutely disagree that Lisa died from any kind of accident. I would believe that Lisa died of SIDS but being drunk DB didn't know how or why she died and they decided to dispose of her out of fear of COD.
     
  10. Clutchbag

    Clutchbag New Member

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    The problem with that one is that the time the police were called from when the dad got home was only about 10 minutes or so if i recall. For cadaver scent to develop I believe it needs at least an hour?
     
  11. iamnotagolem

    iamnotagolem Active Member

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    The scent released from a deceased body is immediate there is no delay period. As far as when Jeremy arrived home, we do not know what time he got home. IIRC he called police at 4:00am. If he arrived home at 3:30 that gives him plenty of time, it explains the phones pinging and being used right up to the time he called 911.

    I'm not set on any one theory but JI knows exactly what happened, most likely DB does too. IMO
     
  12. Clutchbag

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    Well I didnt know that, about the scent, that changes things then in the theory. In the facts thread it says JI finished work at 3.30. I dont know how far away he works and how long it would have taken to get home. It just seems a bit tight timewise for him to have got home, kill the baby dispose of her securely and get back to ring police at 4.00.

    It does seem like some kind of foul play has gone on here. I do think the mother is possibly culpable more than the father, the father seems to be a controlled person with no backbone and that he is probably protecting her

    Does anyone know if live scent tracker dogs were used to follow the babys scent from an article of clothing or blanket? IIRC even if someone is carried they continue to shed skin and sweat.
     
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    I have thought about that, but then why would the dogs have hit on the parents' floor (whether on articles of clothing,bedding,toys,whatever) ?
     
  14. iamnotagolem

    iamnotagolem Active Member

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    Maybe when he came back to the house and undressed that is where he dropped his clothes. Makes sense.
     
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    KsStormy New Member

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    Possibly. I know I read that Grime's dogs can hit on a piece of paper that was touched by someone who touched a body, so....
     
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    The problem with the JI killed her when he got home theory is there is nothing at all to indicate that JI did not get out of work at 3:30am. That piece of information has been out there since day one and I find it very hard to believe that somehow, somewhere it hasn't been disproved or even suggested that was not the case. Either by LE comments, interviews, RR, etc.
     
  17. iamnotagolem

    iamnotagolem Active Member

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    Him getting off of work at 3:30 still gives him ample time to kill and dispose of Lisa.

    3:40 arrive home, by 3:45 Lisa dead, 3:50 out the door drop her in the river or in a nearby dumpster home by 4 to call the police.

    Maybe not the best theory. I really wish we knew if JI was indeed on video the entire time he was at work that night. Because to be honest the midnight sighting of man with baby fit JI. Just sayin.
     
  18. Dewey2Me1MoThyme

    Dewey2Me1MoThyme Have clue will sleuth!

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    BBM: Unless he had plans to kill Lisa when he got home, coming in the door and killing his daughter in 5 mins or less is a bit hard for me to swallow. The time line from when he got home to when LE was alerted to her disappearance is migty tight. Even if he came home and Lisa was already dead, I woud think it would take much more more than 5 mins to get over the initial shock. Plus I would think if he came home and found her dead there would have been a heated argument. Also, before he called 9-1-1 it is reported he went to the Brandos' first to see if she was there, so that takes a few more mins away from that mighty tight time line. JMHO
     
  19. norest4thewicked

    norest4thewicked Karma is a beautiful thing ~

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    I still believe that Lisa was killed on Sunday night or sometime Monday. Jeremy comes home at 3:30-3:40, takes her to the river to dump her in a weighted down bucket, throws her out in the middle of the river, jogs back to the house and calls PD. I think it was all planned out ahead of time and all put into motion that day. DB watches and reads about this type of thing and knows they both need an alibi. She sits on the FRONT porch all evening so that plenty of people see her. JI goes to work as normal, comes home as normal. It's all wrapped up. NO ONE saw Lisa all day Monday. I don't think that she was alive Monday. They planned it out and got away with it...so far.
     
  20. Dewey2Me1MoThyme

    Dewey2Me1MoThyme Have clue will sleuth!

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    That would have to be a pretty large bucket. We buy dog food in 37lb bags, and it completely fills two 5 gallon buckets within an inch of the top. That would be roughly 18.5 pounds per bucket. Unless someone ground her into hamburg (I hate even typing that), fitting a child inside a 5 gallon bucket would be quite a feat, not to mention adding weight to it as well.

    Do you believe the Brandos lied about seeing Lisa on Monday?
     
  21. max2012

    max2012 New Member

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    100% being drunk IS intentional. So is shaking a baby, even if you are drunk.

    Is this for real? Is this how parent/defendants get some kind of a split jury and are acquitted?

    Why is anyone still wondering how Casey walked?
     
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