Identified! IA - Des Moines, WhtMale 92UMIA, 28-48, numerous tattoos, Feb'84 - John Clifton Downey,

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    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/92umia.html

    Unidentified White Male
    • Located on February 28, 1984 in brushy area along a dirt trail in Des Moines, Iowa.
    • Cause of death was blunt trauma.
    • The victim is estimated to have been deceased since sometime during the summer of 1983.


    Vital Statistics


    • Estimated age: 28 - 48 years old
    • Approximate Height and Weight: 5'7 - 5'9"; 150 lbs.
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: He had brown hair, was of medium build and had a surgical pin implanted in his right knee. He was right handed.
    • Clothing: He was wearing faded blue denims with 31" waist, a dark leather belt, brown socks and low cut TRAX sneakers brown/blue in color. He had a plastic comb, a plastic Copenhagen snuff box and a pocket knife on him.



    Victim's Tattoos
    1. Flying bird carrying a streamer in its beak. Written inside the streamer is MOTHER. The word DAD is above the bird. The bird is in red-orange ink. The back of the streamer is in green ink. The tattoo is located on the right upper-arm near the shoulder-tip. Dimensions: Approximately 3 inches from DAD to the bottom of the streamer. Approximately 2 1/2 inches from beak to tail.
    2. Nazi storm-trooper. Wearing a German helmet and an iron cross. SS on collar tabs. The face under the helmet is skull-like. Has appearance of wearing a leather coat. Dark-colored ink. Located on the side and extending to the rear of the right upper-arm. Dimensions: Approximately 6 inches tall by 3 inches wide. Runs parallel to tattoos 3 and 4.
    3. Laughing skull with top-hat and cigarette. The words BORN TO DIE encircling design. Red ink inside eyes. Green ink inside nose. Located on right arm/inside bicep. Approximately 1/2 inch above tattoo no. 4. Total size approximately 1 3/4 inches wide at brim of hat by 2 inches long.
    4. Female face with dark hair under a sombrero. Fancy design on brim of sombrero. It's believed that the sombrero was put on after the female's features were tattooed. An additional tattoo of JOHN is visible under the design inside the sombrero brim. From top of the hat to the chin of the female face is approximately 2 1/2 inches. The brim of the sombrero is approximately 2 1/4 inches wide. Located on the inner-arm approximately 3 1/2 inches from the elbow joint. (right side) Approximately 1/2 inch below the skull in top-hat design.
    5. Female facial-profile/left side. Located on right side of chest above nipple. Tattooed so that female's hair appears light-colored. NOTE: A distinctive feature is that the female has a "gear" with a wrench through it for an earring. Dimensions: Tattoo would take up most of victim's right breast-area.
    6. Appears to be a spotted snake coiled around a tree. Dark ink. Located in the middle of the chest; along the sternum, from the xiphoid process to the angle. Majority of this tattoo is indistinguishable due to skin deterioration.
    7. Dark-colored ink. No combination for colors. Believed that skin-section from abdominal area/right side between navel and chest. Approximate dimensions: (male cartoon figure minus head due to skin deterioration.) toe to toe - 3 inches; sole to upper-chest - 3 3/4 inches.
    8. Dark-colored ink. No discernible color combinations. Butterfly pattern. Located on the rear of the right-side shoulder; towards the collarbone area. Dimension: Approximately 1 1/2 inches long. NOTE: No pattern distinguishable on rearward wing (possibly due to skin deterioration)
     


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    anthrobones New Member

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    Unidentified White Male
    • The victim was located on February 28, 1984 in Des Moines, Polk County, Iowa
    • Cause of Death: Blunt trauma.
    • Estimated Date of Death: Summer of 1983
    • Skeletal remains




    Vital Statistics

    • Estimated age: 28 - 48 years old
    • Approximate Height and Weight: 5'7" - 5'9"; 150 lbs.
    • Clothing: Faded blue denims with 31" waist, dark leather belt, brown socks, low cut TRAX sneakers brown/blue in color.
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown hair; medium build. He had a surgical pin implanted in his right knee; he was right handed. He had many tattoos.
    • Tattoo #1: Flying bird carrying a streamer in its beak. Written inside the streamer is MOTHER. The word DAD is above the bird. The bird is in red-orange ink. The back of the streamer is in green ink. The tattoo is located on the right upper-arm near the shoulder-tip. Dimensions: Approximately 3 inches from DAD to the bottom of the streamer. Approximately 2 1/2 inches from beak to tail.
    • Tattoo #2: Nazi storm-trooper. Wearing a German helmet and an iron cross. SS on collar tabs. The face under the helmet is skull-like. Has appearance of wearing a leather coat. Dark-colored ink. Located on the side and extending to the rear of the right upper-arm. Dimensions: Approximately 6 inches tall by 3 inches wide. Runs parallel to tattoos 3 and 4.
    • Tattoo #3: Laughing skull with top-hat and cigarette. The words BORN TO DIE encircling design. Red ink inside eyes. Green ink inside nose. Located on right arm/inside bicep. Approximately 1/2 inch above tattoo #4. Total size approximately 1 3/4 inches wide at brim of hat by 2 inches long.
    • Tattoo #4: Female face with dark hair under a sombrero. Fancy design on brim of sombrero. It's believed that the sombrero was put on after the female's features were tattooed. An additional tattoo of JOHN is visible under the design inside the sombrero brim. From top of the hat to the chin of the female face is approximately 2 1/2 inches. The brim of the sombrero is approximately 2 1/4 inches wide. Located on the inner-arm approximately 3 1/2 inches from the elbow joint. (right side) Approximately 1/2 inch below the skull in top-hat design.
    • Tattoo #5: Female facial-profile/left side. Located on right side of chest above nipple. Tattooed so that female's hair appears light-colored. NOTE: A distinctive feature is that the female has a "gear" with a wrench through it for an earring. Dimensions: Tattoo would take up most of victim's right breast-area.
    • Tattoo #6: Appears to be a spotted snake coiled around a tree. Dark ink. Located in the middle of the chest; along the sternum, from the xiphoid process to the angle. Majority of this tattoo is indistinguishable due to skin deterioration.
    • Tattoo #7: Dark-colored ink. No combination for colors. Believed that skin-section from abdominal area/right side between navel and chest. Approximate dimensions: (male cartoon figure minus head due to skin deterioration.) toe to toe - 3 inches; sole to upper-chest - 3 3/4 inches.
    • Tattoo #8: Dark-colored ink. No discernible color combinations. Butterfly pattern. Located on the rear of the right-side shoulder; towards the collarbone area. Dimension: Approximately 1 1/2 inches long. NOTE: No pattern distinguishable on rearward wing (possibly due to skin deterioration)
    Case History
    The victim was located in brushy area along a dirt trail in Des Moines, Iowa on February 28, 1984.
    He had a plastic comb, a plastic Copenhagen snuff box and a pocket knife on him.


     
  3. tatertot

    tatertot Well-Known Member

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    Doe Network profile: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/92umia.html

    NamUs profile: https://identifyus.org/cases/2623

    Two July 2010 articles about this UID:

    http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/98030134.html?ref=134

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...fficials-use-new-tools-in-trying-to-ID-Bones-

    Also, there are better-quality sketches of the UID's tattoos on his Doe Network page, and I think the headless cartoon character in "Tattoo #7" is most likely Goofy, judging by the long ear still visible, the vest, glove and shoes. It's almost like the tattoo artist drew him from memory, though, and didn't have a very good reference image, because his vest isn't that long.

    Reference image:
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qZmf9l-HC...400/Goofy+Model+DisneyDogs+1952+126+1Orig.jpg
     
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    webrocket New Member

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    at the risk of asking a stupid question, I see from the Namus profile that his remains were characterized as "near complete or complete skeleton". how then did they find all these tattoos if his remains were mostly bones?
     
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    there is this guy Ron Knutson, lka Dec 18, 1982 in California. was 5'10 (a little taller than the estimate) but he had both brown hair and multiple tattoos including some biker themed ink. believed to have been a victim of foul play and was a member of a biker gang. distance from CA to IA might be a problem but bikers do get around:

    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2658/5/
     
  6. Sin City

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    My first thought was that this man was the victim of members of a biker gang. Don't know if there was a chapter of HA in Des Moines at this time, but I do know that there was a well established chapter in Omaha, NE during this time. If LE believes a biker gang may be involved than the FBI would probably be aware of this theory also.
    I grew up in Omaha & have one too many outlaws in my family tree.
    It does seem odd that this man cannot be identified based on all his tattoos! Maybe he was an associate/hang-around of a biker gang, and ticked off the wrong person.
     
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    webrocket New Member

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    it is not that odd that the tatts alone can't identify him. let's say for the sake of argument the UID lived life on the edge or even on the outlaw side. he might not have seen his real family in years and associated with like-minded people.

    members of biker gangs, and I am not saying for certain he was in one, are not likely to go to the cops and say either 1. one of their own is missing or 2. they did one of their own in.
     
  8. lindamichelle1

    lindamichelle1 Well-Known Member

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    You would think someone would recognise the tattoos. like someone knows who he is. just i dont think enough people would have seen the drawings. i have heaps of tattoos no one would recognise except maybe my partner. i hid nearly all my tatttoos from my family and they are just in places you dont often see. so i can see how people might not know. they need a composite done on his face
     
  9. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Identified!
    http://www.kcci.com/article/authorities-identify-victim-in-1984-cold-case/9967901
     
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    dotr Well-Known Member

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    http://whotv.com/2017/06/02/1984-homicide-victim-identified/
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    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...homicide-identified-after-33-years/364105001/
     
  11. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    Another one ID'd with the new fingerprint technology. This is very interesting. Lots of hope for all those cold cases.
     
  12. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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    Wow. They're really making headway with the fingerprints.
    RIP, John Clifton Downey. Glad you have your name back.
    I think we need to start a thread for these IDs (if there isn't one already) so we can keep track of who has been identified by this method and whether or not the person was reported missing.
     
  13. Moxie Vi

    Moxie Vi Member Extraordinaire

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    That's a great idea!
     
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    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    This is the second time I've seen it requested so I started a thread here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ingerprint-Technology&p=13414717#post13414717

    (MODS please move thread if not in the appropriate forum thanks)
     
  15. Alleykins

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    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    No problem. I think there are a couple more I'm forgetting. Please add the links there if you know of other threads. Thanks.
     
  17. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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    Will do!
     
  18. Philigumbo

    Philigumbo Verified registered nurse

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    So had John Clifton Downey been reported missing?
     
  20. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Somewhat puzzling, imo. Rbbm.
    http://www.kcci.com/article/plain-o...er-after-having-hand-soap-confiscated/9970623

     

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