IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #16

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  1. imamaze

    imamaze Former Member

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    Please continue here...
     
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    http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/ev...cle_18411a90-cd32-11e1-a656-0019bb2963f4.html

    http://www.kwwl.com/story/19023342/evansdale-police-searching-for-two-missing-girls

    These girls have been missing all afternoon and the search was suspended tonight now that it's dark here. We're a small town next to a larger city but a small police force that has likely never dealt with missing kids.. Bikes found on the trail and purse and phone had been thrown over the fence near the bikes but the other side of the fence is a hill leading to the highway. Right now the search is very disorganized and there aren't any flyers :(.


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    case map by poster hollye

    NCMEC posters:
    http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
    http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
     
  4. imamaze

    imamaze Former Member

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    Please remember the following when discussing the case:
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  5. SeeMamaRun

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    Please come home soon Lizzie and Lyric!

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    tlcya <b><span style="color:#007C00;">WS Administrator</ Administrator

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    have not been too vocal about this one the last week because I feel I have hashed and rehashed what we do know. But I still check for news daily and pray these girls are found.
     
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    My last two responses dropped on the last page of the previous thread after the mod provided the link to this thread. Do I need to move those over here? How does that work for quoting across threads?
     
  8. cindersoot

    cindersoot Mom to furry kids.

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    So did mine.
     
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    When I click on thread 15, I get directed to this thread-thread 16. ?? Tia
     
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    forgive me if this was already discussed..but has it been discussed on here that there is a nature trail called "evansdale nature trail"that runs from layfayette straight down to the bike trail at meyers lake? if the girls biked this trail, then that would explain why more people did not see them that day. is this trail "ridable"? I am seeing it on google maps. I have never seen it before on a map.
     
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    6.8 miles one way via Cedar Valley Nature Trail

    (Bringing forward from thread #15)
     
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    The request for the paddle boater could have not been as a suspect but as an additional witness to corroborate other times that had already been reported. Flee via paddle boat doesn't make sense to me (again unless it is to a local dock as the final destination).

    (Bringing forward from thread #15)
     
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    that could also explain how they rode to the lake so quickly.
     
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    I wonder if they searched that trail??
     
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    I wanted to bring some posts from the last thread that I thought might be worth discussing and/or referencing, or that may have just gotten missed in the change.

     
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    Does anyonE know if LE searched the empty house or houses by the lake?
     
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    Have been playing catch-up for a couple of days now <am I the only one who hears the groans?!?> lol

    I was finally ready to ask a couple of questions when you guys switched threads. So please forgive my snipped/c/p style of quoting GrainneDhu's most interesting/informative post: " ...If the newest scent was on the bicycles, the dogs should have cast around and just kept going back to the bicycles, saying with their behaviour "newest scent is right here on these bikes, boss."

    That answered what was going to be my first Question! I hadn't suspected that the bikes had been "dragged" but had wondered if dogs could follow a scent "old to new" which doubled back on itself in a matter of minutes. Wow...

    Now re: Cindersoot's post on the difference in size of helmets and heads of women and children. Q#1: Can anybody tell me if the girls were wearing bike helmets?

    Q#2: regarding LC's size: Are there any recent photos online of LC which show more of her than the headshots? (In recent headshots, she appears to me to look more like a 13-yr. old. It seems that I read she weights 145 lbs. What are the chances that people could have seen them that day and not recognized that they were seeing an 8 and 10 year old?)
     
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    But when the girls were caught on cctv they were riding away from that trail. Abben said "it is important to note." I don't think they believe the girls took that trail.

    MOO
     
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    Yes it could, but I assume that LE has checked them, the paddleboat and their property out. They did willingly come forward and by doing so subjected themselves to a possible search. I just can't picture someone grabbing two girls using a paddleboat. Yes it could be used as a lure, but no matter where on the shorline their destination was, can you picture someone paddling like a bat of hell trying to get there? In my opinion anyone who would choose a paddle boat as the escape vehicle of choice wouldn't be smart enough to elude all of us for this long.
     
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    It depends on the dog.

    I have seen a few dogs that would track down a double laid track where the person walks in one direction, then makes a 180 degree turn and tries to walk over the track they just laid. Those few dogs would go right down to the place the person made the 180 degree turn, turn with the turn and follow the tracklayer back along the trail.

    Many dogs don't. It's highly unlikely that someone will double back for very long distances. Eventually that person will step away from their pre-laid track and go somewhere else. Dogs will often skip the double laid portion of the track and just make the turn where the tracklayer turned off the track. If the particular individual that the dog is tracking lays down fresher scent, that's what the dog is most likely to follow.

    I suspect that dogs are capable of more than humans realise. The problem isn't the capabilities of dogs, it's the human ability to communicate to the dog what is wanted that is probably lacking.

    Dogs do make mistakes. So do handlers. Put the two living beings together and the occasional mistake is going to happen.
     
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