IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #20

Discussion in 'Cold Cases' started by nikkiw319, Jul 13, 2012.

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  1. StacyMarie83

    StacyMarie83 Well-Known Member

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    Just wanted to throw this out there: I live a couple hours south of chicago (not even) and have NOT seen a news story on this case in at least a month. NOTHING. Not even "the girls are still missing" :(:(
     


  2. Sunlight

    Sunlight New Member

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    Thanks. Excellent article. There is no doubt that someone could have abducted the girls "for" a trafficker..someone on drugs needing money..end of story. It is always a possibility. MOO
     
  3. Gracelin

    Gracelin Active Member

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    I like the way you think! :)

    Most of the people here can think outside the box because we are divided by distance. Local input is helpful, but sometimes clouded by linear thinking..

    I think our perp is acquainted with one or more family member also..
     
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    peeples New Member

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    Our local news station KWWL ran a commercial about every 2 hours saying they are still missing... lately it's been 3 or 4 times a day they show it :(
     
  5. GrainneDhu

    GrainneDhu Verified Expert

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    If the girls are in a grain silo, they will be discovered soon. Prices are up due to the drought, so farmers are moving whatever grain they were holding onto in a silo and to market.

    Silos should be easily visible in overhead photographs. I'm not good with any of the mapping sites but if someone is interested, they could check the area around Evansdale for grain silos.
     
  6. Sunlight

    Sunlight New Member

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    Gawd..there are gazillions of silos on private property all around E'dale...I just looked at the map. Anyone who has large amounts of horses, cows, hogs, etc., often have a silo or several on their land. Anyone harvesting grain has silos. Ugh.

    Honestly, I wish there were about 100 dogs out there with teams searching for "odors" rather than scenting where they went so to speak. Awful thoughts.

    I guess they are going to have to identify a suspect or suspects first to find these girls...the rest is a needle in a haystack (no pun intended).

    MOO
     
  7. TxLady2

    TxLady2 Well-Known Member

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    GrainneDhu: Found a link for ya.

    http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/p...ent-bulletin/march_2011/human_sex_trafficking

    "Human sex trafficking is the most common form of modern-day slavery. Estimates place the number of its domestic and international victims in the millions, mostly females and children enslaved in the commercial sex industry for little or no money.1 The terms human trafficking and sex slavery usually conjure up images of young girls beaten and abused in faraway places, like Eastern Europe, Asia, or Africa. Actually, human sex trafficking and sex slavery happen locally in cities and towns, both large and small, throughout the United States, right in citizens' backyards."
     
  8. Flutterflies

    Flutterflies Active Member

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    I like the way you think too! :D

    Just curious...Is your thinking along the lines of the perp hiding evidence in a silo or the girls were exploring a silo and got trapped? I believe my first post was about the girls exploring the building (pump house) and getting trapped. My post was attacked like a duck on a junebug immediately by someone saying not possible due to smells that would have been noticed already. In another senario the perp can hide the bodies (sorry folks, but it is reality) in a sealed container. Of course this would have been a planned act to have a container available.

    Thanks for posting.
     
  9. FrayedKnot

    FrayedKnot Former Member

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    Are you thinking about "The Franklin Scandal"?

    I read that book and IMHO such a widespread and high reaching sounds quite plausible. I will say that before reading the book and researching a little on my own (via the interwebz, so grain of salt), I would have thought child sex trafficking rings were urban legend-ish.

    But now, I dunno. I am about hip deep in the pool on this one.

    Not that I think that is what happened here, so sorry for the OT.
     
  10. Sunlight

    Sunlight New Member

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    Two fold really. I know that kids have gotten trapped in dumpsters on numerous occasions for example..playing fort or something like that...As far as a grain silo goes..I'm thinking in terms of someone hiding evidence or a body. Obviously, it wouldn't be in a silo that is in use. Perhaps it is at an abandoned farm or at the back of a farm that used to house animals..there could even be a lot of leftover moldy grain material (that stinks too btw). My whole feeling about this from the beginning has been that it was a really personal, secret, dark, compulsive act of some sort. The type of person I feel in my gut responsible for this would be someone with HUGE secrets...acts and looks normal (whatever that is) but has deep dark perverted issues. I don't know why I think that, but the bike trail seems to be a reflection of that to me. This person cares about what he/she did, because he/she went out of the way to not get caught. This is not a stupid person...just really deranged on some level and that level is a secret "vice". I think this person can compartmentalize their feelings..and compartmentalize stuff..like in containers...maybe a hoarder...maybe a teacher. This person lives a normal life because he/she can live in the denial compartment while functioning in the outside world. MOO

    ETA: If this person has killed these girls, then I suspect the person has no problem taking any kind of a life. Could be someone who enjoys shooting Bambi so to speak. MOO
     
  11. GrainneDhu

    GrainneDhu Verified Expert

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    Quote from the same article:

    Which is exactly what I have been saying in my posts to these threads.

    What I was looking for was evidence that there are wealthy people all over the world who are buying children and that there are people who are abducting children to fill that demand.
     
  12. Fukiyama

    Fukiyama Well-Known Member

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    In my experience living here in Iowa, people can't get into tanks that have been placed at public parks. All the hatches are welded shut.
     
  13. CN2Souls

    CN2Souls A MEMBER FROM LONG AGO

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    :banghead: :banghead: :banghead::pullhair:

    I am Trying to remain calm.

    When ever LE is in a massive undercover investigation they do not go around broadcasting it and posting it all over the in-ter-net. Other wise the criminals involved would know the FBI and other LE were on to them.

    And people who have Relatives and other close friends who are LE do find out more information then just the average Joe/Jane.
    And just because in you can't find it on the in-ter-net.... Doesn't mean it doesn't exists.
    :deadhorse:

    It is the small mindedness of America that sticks their head in the sand and that makes it harder to get funding and answers,
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    This is the same thing that happen way back before there was a Missing and Exploited Fondation and Website and all the other organization that are out there now,

    People would say,

    Doh, ah.......... NO they ain't Abducted there just lost or run off" I didn't hear it on MY radio or read it in MY newspaper therfore it ain't happening....

    :ziplip:


    I had put my self in a self imposed Time -out on this thread, and now it looks like I am going to have to do it again.

    I am going, Nursebeeme :nurse: ... I am Going....:runaway:To the self imposed....Time Out / Naughty chair
     
  14. Sunlight

    Sunlight New Member

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    I don't really know what you are saying, but I can't stop laughing at those hilarious smilies you have going on in your post. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/ffj/rocker.gif
     
  15. nikb

    nikb Active Member

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    Ummm... huh?? Clearly I'm missing something and it's also pretty clear you can't elaborate on it (due to TOS), but this post threw me. I guess I'm one of those small minded Americans... maybe that's why I don't get it. I just want these girls found, and I appreciate the fact that we can look at all different angles and ideas. I also know that LE knows far more than we do, I know no one here is going to "solve" this case, but you never know when the right tip or idea might help IMO.
     
  16. superbee

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    Interesting your idea about the lake, can LE be 100% sure they are not in the lake, I presume being a small body of water in the warm weather bodies would rise? The 'locked in something' you mention is interesting, I keep thinking someone may have taken them and have them locked in something like an old bomb shelter or root cellar, a basement room, or a secluded house. Is there anything, I wonder, like an old homesite near the lake, maybe from when the highway was built, and the girls went exploring and fell in an old cellar or became trapped somehow. That thought crossed my mind a few weeks ago when I was back in my hometown and saw the rubble of a friend`s cute little home sitting behind a stripmall. Put that in a less busy area where kids go.... Are there remains of old homes and buildings near the lake, along secluded and treed Maiden Lane maybe, and were they searched. I don`t know if a person can tell from above what is under a canopy of trees, I was shocked at how Graceland looks from the air.
     
  17. SapphireSteel

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    I haven't been posting much either because it's become increasingly clear that what we DON'T know outweighs what we do.

    In view of this and a lot of stuff that is pretty much still rumour yet "common knowledge" locally, any discussions we can have on WS are becoming kind of circular...by which I mean, we are chasing our tails.

    Until LE releases some POI's, search warrants or other solid information we are pretty much reduced to discussing what sort of crockery they had on the Titanic... a mildly interesting detail but not really relevant in the bigger picture.

    I have thought for a while that the case may be "solved" just not "proven" and I think C2 may be getting at the same thing.

    It's clear that everyone genuinely cares about these two little girls and the frustration levels are high...especially in view of the lack of "progress" we perceive in the investigation. It doesn't mean there isn't any, however.

    :please:
     
  18. Marilynilpa

    Marilynilpa Well-Known Member

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    I agree, GrainneDhu.

    I know there is human trafficking, child pornography, and all other kinds of vile things that take place. It is beyond despicable, without a doubt.

    The idea about wealthy people all over the world purchasing children, who are supplied by people who abduct children just to fill this need, isn't anything I've seen documented in MSM. I've never seen anything to support the idea that this is a thriving "industry".

    I think this is a story that has been circulated so widely that it has come to be accepted as truth.

    If anyone has a link to a source where this specific "industry" (not human trafficking in general) is discussed, please post it here. TIA
     
  19. Sunlight

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    After reading that post 10 times, it concerns me when C2 says "massive investigation" and puts self in naughty chair. I'm really hoping I don't understand what is meant, but..I think I might. MOO
     
  20. SapphireSteel

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    There is an industry, always has been - but the victims are generally not little white girls from Iowa.

    The victims of human trafficking are generally children from third world countries whose parents have knowingly sold them into prostitution. There are no missing children reports for such events. The trafficking is intentional, widespread, unreported.

    There is no need to "steal" children. There is an excess of unwanted children in poor countries freely available for every need, at the right price.

    All you need to do is read the missing child reports, say here on WS, appreciate the investigations into those reports, how many turn out to be victims in their own homes by their own loved ones, such as Caylee and Jon Benet (arguably), countless others.

    There is no organised, steal-to-order market for first world children...or if there is, it is extremely small, isolated, and one off in nature, not organised, wide spread, and lurking on every street corner.

    The overwhelming risk to children in first world countries remains at the hands of immediate family, in their own homes.

    Statistics tell us this. The rest is just urban legend. Thank God.
     
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