IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #1

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KT Can said:
Marie - I think I know which photo you are referring to. It was found in 1989 and some people think that the girl in the photo is Tara Leigh Calico. Part of the photo can be seen here: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/calico_tara.html. Their mouths are taped in this photo as opposed to being gagged in the new/old Johnny Gosch photo. I don't know whether this new/old photo is fake or not but it looks real enough to freak me out.

I want to know who they think these other boys are....

Yes, that's the photo I was thinking of, thanks. Both pics look so similar to me - the way they lay on the bed, curled, looking at the camera, mouths covered, fully dressed. I hope this recent pic is fake (what an awful thing to do!), and heaven help us if the same person took both pics.

Yes the pic looks real and scary but amazing things can be done with photo programs now. And EVERYONE should LOOK, no matter how much it creeps you out - you just might recognize something.
 
miles_draken said:
From what I understand they "brand" these kids for ownership purposes, which is kinda strange since it would create a visible piece of evidence tying the perps to the kids, but anyway, that's what it is supposed to be. Ted Gunderson has this thing going all the way to the first Bush White House, which seems impossible to believe. I kinda think Johnny is alive still, but I really don't believe all the conspiracy theories about call boys wandering the White House late at night. What I really want to know is where this boys father and all his siblings are? Have they abandoned hope and not forged on with their mother? She has pursued the truth tirelessly through so much I really feel for her.



I don't know about johnny but I really wouldn't doubt it with kids and the government like that. I mean they are the government why wouldn't they make stricter laws....probably so they wouldn't have to get in that much trouble when they get caught


but i really just don't know
 
OMG!!

I thought it might be someone who knew the kidnapper, but was afraid to come forward all these years, and is doing so now because the kidnapper is dead.
 
I lived in Iowa when little Johnny Gosch disapeared.It was the very first case I ever followed & you never forget the 1st one!!!!

The newspaper did everything in its power to attempt to locate the little boy who seemed to of vanished. LE never did much of anything which was / is a shame.

Yes her story sounds far fetched & people thought she'd lost her mind. But in all sincereity & fairness to her LE "NEVER" did a darn thing to find him. They acted totally stupid. His poor Mom has been thru hell & back.

I heard back then that someone had called & reported seeing Johnny & the police chief said it couldn't of been & to quit bothering the cops. He was a JERK!

I'm sure someone is harassing his poor Mom. She isn't nuts.....she could of been on to something very big who knows. She has always stood behind her story & never has wavered at any time.
 
Indy Gal said:
Sounds like maybe he would still be alive as the mom said he called her 10 years after the fact. Did anyone else catch this???? He wouldve been an adult by then.

Actually, she claims he came to visit. From the link above:
AFP: You received a remarkable visit in your home.

NG: There was a knock at my door at about 2:30 a.m. I went to the door and I could see through the peephole that there was a young man outside. I said, "Who's there?" He said, "It's me, mom. It's Johnny." I could see that there was someone with him, but I let them in. I don't know who the other young man was. I asked, but he declined to tell me.

AFP: Johnny would have been about 24 years old at this point. What did he tell you?

NG: It was very emotional. I asked if I could call someone to come and help us, thinking that he was home to stay. But Johnny was so terrified. He said, "You don't understand. You can't call anyone. No one can know that I've been here. If you do, my life is in danger and yours might be, too. They will kill me for what I know."

Instead of pushing this issue, I said to myself, "No, I'm going to let him talk and tell me what's happened." So during our hour-and-a-half time that we had together. I learned a lot. I asked him names of people. I asked him how they did their organization. What type of things did they do? What methods did they use to traffic in children?

He was here in 1997, but I kept silent for two years and didn't tell anyone about his visit until 1999 when I was on the witness stand testifying for Paul Bonacci in his civil case. But what I had done in the meantime was to make an appointment with the county attorney. I went in and told him that I had information from an informant. I gave the county attorney the names of the people involved and how the organization worked and asked him to begin an investigation. I did not tell him that the informant was my son.
 
I have spent just about the entire day reading on Johnny Gosch. I honestly don't know what to think about his Mom's theory. If it is true then it is some very scary stuff and could explain how so many kids just seem to vanish into thin air.

This is a link to a very very long but informative interview with the mother

http://www.rense.com/general67/gannn.htm
 
T-Rex said:
OMG!!

I thought it might be someone who knew the kidnapper, but was afraid to come forward all these years, and is doing so now because the kidnapper is dead.

That is the first thought that entered my mind.And the possibility that the person is older and near death themselves.Sort of like a purification before they die.
 
I caught this story on another site today. Of course, WS has the most detailed information. It has taken my breath away. The facts that you all have about the visit. I had heard it was a phone call......but a visit is mindboggling.
I am thinking there would have been no way I'd of let him leave if he entered the home to talk with me. I don't know how I would of been able to do that.
Now, these pictures.........and who are the others in the pictures?
It is just horriable to think of what was happening with these children.
I hope the FBI or some major crime unit will follow this thru now.......
get answers......
It is so sad to even think about it.
 
There is a thread on Johnny G. in Cold Cases. This story has been around for years and Noreen has been trying to get someone to listen to her for years. Many dismiss her as a kook, many deny that her son could have come back to see her, many deny that he could still be alive today, and many deny that such a ring could be in operation in the US.
Pornograhy and prostitution rings have been found all over the country. Last year they busted a couple of prostitution rings where they would either convince a minor child to come with them or they would kidnap her and then take her to another state to prostitute her. These kids did not seem to tell anyone what was happening to them, they were too scared.
In the past, prostitution rings have been busted that were operating out of orphanages/boys and girls camps/juvenile delinquency facilities. And those sometimes involved some local authorities.
Myself, I believe most of what Noreen says. Pedophiles can be found anywhere, and some have been found in government positions. How high up it goes, I am conflicted. I don't think the FBI has any kind of ops going on with mind control experiments going on. But it is possible that some members of the FBI could be aware of and have taken advantage of the governments past experiments in mind control. And everybody knows the kind of things a pedo will tell a kid to keep them silent. Things like their parents are dead or don't want them. Things like the authorities are involved or that they are part of a government experiment would not be a big stretch.
Is Johnny alive? I think it is possible. Who dropped off this pic? I wonder if it is Johnny. Could he be trying to give Noreen the proof she needs?

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13979&highlight=johnny+gosch
 
Paladin said:
OH MY LORD...


DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- The mother of a boy abducted 24 years ago said she's bewildered by two photographs left at her front door, apparently showing her son and two other children bound and gagged.

The old photos appear to show 12-year-old Johnny Gosch with his mouth gagged and his hands and feet tied. The boy is wearing the same sweatpants Johnny was wearing when he disappeared while delivering newspapers on the morning of September 5, 1982, his mother said.

More at:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/01/missing.boy.photos.ap/index.html
I remember this story. However, the boy in the photograph to the far right is wearing white (light colored) jean type pants. They don't look like sweatpants to me.
 
My first thought also was that it could have been Johnny who sent the picture as you said to verify what happened to him or as a sign he was still alive. This is truly a bizarre story and it breaks my heart to look at that picture. It seems to me that someone would have recognized these boys had they been missing for so long.



mysteriew said:
There is a thread on Johnny G. in Cold Cases. This story has been around for years and Noreen has been trying to get someone to listen to her for years. Many dismiss her as a kook, many deny that her son could have come back to see her, many deny that he could still be alive today, and many deny that such a ring could be in operation in the US.
Pornograhy and prostitution rings have been found all over the country. Last year they busted a couple of prostitution rings where they would either convince a minor child to come with them or they would kidnap her and then take her to another state to prostitute her. These kids did not seem to tell anyone what was happening to them, they were too scared.
In the past, prostitution rings have been busted that were operating out of orphanages/boys and girls camps/juvenile delinquency facilities. And those sometimes involved some local authorities.
Myself, I believe most of what Noreen says. Pedophiles can be found anywhere, and some have been found in government positions. How high up it goes, I am conflicted. I don't think the FBI has any kind of ops going on with mind control experiments going on. But it is possible that some members of the FBI could be aware of and have taken advantage of the governments past experiments in mind control. And everybody knows the kind of things a pedo will tell a kid to keep them silent. Things like their parents are dead or don't want them. Things like the authorities are involved or that they are part of a government experiment would not be a big stretch.
Is Johnny alive? I think it is possible. Who dropped off this pic? I wonder if it is Johnny. Could he be trying to give Noreen the proof she needs?

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13979&highlight=johnny+gosch
 
There was another pic posted of a possible Johnny with the sweats and no shirt on www.johnnygosch.com
For some reason there is no access to that page now.
Amy

spclk said:
My first thought also was that it could have been Johnny who sent the picture as you said to verify what happened to him or as a sign he was still alive. This is truly a bizarre story and it breaks my heart to look at that picture. It seems to me that someone would have recognized these boys had they been missing for so long.
 
spclk said:
My first thought also was that it could have been Johnny who sent the picture as you said to verify what happened to him or as a sign he was still alive. This is truly a bizarre story and it breaks my heart to look at that picture. It seems to me that someone would have recognized these boys had they been missing for so long.

People's looks change if they are hidden in captivity for long enough. Noreen even said that when the boy came to her door, he told her that he was Johnny- notice it doesn't say she recognized him. That is why many people dismiss her story, that it was Johnny. But with her child missing, I believe she would have been looking at every person she came across looking for similiarities to her Johnnies, and I believe she would have found people over the years who may have had some resemblance but were not him. And so faced with a man who showed up at her home in the middle of the night, I believe that yes, it is possible that she might not have recognized him at first.
 
dottierainbow said:
There was another pic posted of a possible Johnny with the sweats and no shirt on www.johnnygosch.com
For some reason there is no access to that page now.
Amy
I copied the pictures earlier today to try and enhance them. Still working on that but here they are:



 
NCMC601815c1.jpg

Eugene's photo is shown age-progressed to 34 years. He was last seen between 5:30 a.m. and 6 a.m. as he was delivering newspapers. A paper bag was found outside of Des Moines with papers still inside. He has a scar on his right knee and has had a broken right wrist.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=601815&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

In the thread in Cold Cases post #32 by Richard mentions this boy
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13979&page=2
 
mysteriew said:
There is a thread on Johnny G. in Cold Cases. This story has been around for years and Noreen has been trying to get someone to listen to her for years. Many dismiss her as a kook, many deny that her son could have come back to see her, many deny that he could still be alive today, and many deny that such a ring could be in operation in the US.
Pornograhy and prostitution rings have been found all over the country. Last year they busted a couple of prostitution rings where they would either convince a minor child to come with them or they would kidnap her and then take her to another state to prostitute her. These kids did not seem to tell anyone what was happening to them, they were too scared.
In the past, prostitution rings have been busted that were operating out of orphanages/boys and girls camps/juvenile delinquency facilities. And those sometimes involved some local authorities.
Myself, I believe most of what Noreen says. Pedophiles can be found anywhere, and some have been found in government positions. How high up it goes, I am conflicted. I don't think the FBI has any kind of ops going on with mind control experiments going on. But it is possible that some members of the FBI could be aware of and have taken advantage of the governments past experiments in mind control. And everybody knows the kind of things a pedo will tell a kid to keep them silent. Things like their parents are dead or don't want them. Things like the authorities are involved or that they are part of a government experiment would not be a big stretch.
Is Johnny alive? I think it is possible. Who dropped off this pic? I wonder if it is Johnny. Could he be trying to give Noreen the proof she needs?

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13979&highlight=johnny+gosch
I feel the same as you do mysteryview. They have completely tried to make Noreen out to be a kook & she isn't. The denials by officals were loud & clear.

I have always hoped he'd go home just to prove to the world his Mom isn't insane. With the pictires showing up I'm sure LE did't even want to go there.They've tried keeping it as quiet as well. Something just wasn't right.
 
nanandjim said:
I remember this story. However, the boy in the photograph to the far right is wearing white (light colored) jean type pants. They don't look like sweatpants to me.



In one story the mother said that she received a phone call from Johnny in 1997 and in another she said that he came to her house in 1997. He would have been 24 yrs old by then. At 24 yrs old why couldn't they have gone to the FBI for protection and so that he could tell what had happened to him? I find it hard to believe that this boy would drop by to see his mother after 15 yrs. He couldn't stay but he wanted to fill her in about what had happened to him. Why would he still be being held at the age of 24 yrs?

I guess she would have recognized Johnny at the age of 24 yrs even if she hadn't seen him since he was 12 yrs...I don't know. Kids change a lot from 12 yrs to 24 yrs. She says that the boy on the right in that picture is Johnny because he is wearing the same sweat pants that he had on that morning but this boy isn't wearing sweat pants he is wearing pants. When I looked at the picture I thought the two kids on the left and right look related. It looks like they both have curly dark hair and the same builds. Could be the same child wearing different clothes if the picture is doctored.

So is she saying that the LE in her town, the FBI and the CIA and governments officials are all involved in this *advertiser censored* ring? Nothing would really surprise me but I don't know what I think about this story. Everyone in LE can't be crooked.
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Gosch believes her son was taken by child pornographers. She told authorities he briefly contacted her in 1997 but feared for his life and declined to give details about where he was. She believes his abductors got him involved in crimes, which is why he is hiding his identity.
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I took this to mean that he had called her on the phone.....but she must have been talking about his coming to her home so it sounds like he didn't call her. I wonder if she thinks that he is helping the big guys steal kids now?
 
Bobbisangel said:
In one story the mother said that she received a phone call from Johnny in 1997 and in another she said that he came to her house in 1997. He would have been 24 yrs old by then. At 24 yrs old why couldn't they have gone to the FBI for protection and so that he could tell what had happened to him? I find it hard to believe that this boy would drop by to see his mother after 15 yrs. He couldn't stay but he wanted to fill her in about what had happened to him. Why would he still be being held at the age of 24 yrs?

I guess she would have recognized Johnny at the age of 24 yrs even if she hadn't seen him since he was 12 yrs...I don't know. Kids change a lot from 12 yrs to 24 yrs. She says that the boy on the right in that picture is Johnny because he is wearing the same sweat pants that he had on that morning but this boy isn't wearing sweat pants he is wearing pants. When I looked at the picture I thought the two kids on the left and right look related. It looks like they both have curly dark hair and the same builds. Could be the same child wearing different clothes if the picture is doctored.

So is she saying that the LE in her town, the FBI and the CIA and governments officials are all involved in this *advertiser censored* ring? Nothing would really surprise me but I don't know what I think about this story. Everyone in LE can't be crooked.

The answer to the first question bolded out is in the second question bolded out, i believe.

and i feel it's certain to be the case, yet i have nothing but gut to go on.
 
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