IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, West Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 #4

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  1. nanny2five

    nanny2five Member

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    no problem at all, Cappuccino, please forgive me for my gruffness ((hugs)) i am interested to know, do you think there is any possibility of the Franklin Conspiracy having any merit at all? most of what i have read about it seems very out there, but then some of it isn't so far fetched. given what we know of human nature, in your opinion, could there be any truth to it at all? it is almost too disturbing to even contemplate.
     


  2. Cappuccino

    Cappuccino Well-Known Member

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    No problem, (hugs back).

    The Franklin Conspiracy? Anything's possible, but I tend to work on the principle that claims should be backed with evidence, and extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. All we have here is wild claims made from some very dodgy people. Unless I saw something in the way of solid evidence I would dismiss the Franklin Conspiracy as a distraction.

    IMO, its far more likely that there was a serial killer active in West Des Moines during the 1980s and Johnny, Eugene and Marc all fell prey to him. I especially can't get over the fact that Johnny and Eugene's disappearances are almost identical, and that looks to me like a lone, single perpetrator, not a paedophile ring. I can understand why Noreen Gosch doesn't want to believe that, in her place I would also prefer to believe anything that allowed me to think my son was still alive. But looked at through more objective eyes, I think the Franklin Conspiracy is about as realistic as George Bush plotting 9/11.
     
  3. believe09

    believe09 Well-Known Member

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    Some new information regarding LE in this case:

     
  4. believe09

    believe09 Well-Known Member

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    I am not sure I understand why Noreen was unaware of their existence?
     
  6. anneonymous

    anneonymous New Member

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    I'm almost embarrassed to bump this posts with such a trivial detail, but I didn't see it posted in any of the other JG threads. The 'violent foreign movie' from the March 2007 Johnny Gosch Foundation posts is well known to PC gamers. The Witcher was a "sword and sorcery" roleplaying game released in 2007. Known for its graphic depictions of (adult) sex and violence, gamers who grew attached to the characters would have searched the internet for the live-action movies based on the same series of Polish fantasy novels.

    There's no more pedo content in The Witcher than in Lord of the Rings. (That being said, I still don't know if NG was thinking *everything* on a filesharing network is kiddie porn, or if she happened upon a molester's secret stash of network television specials.)

    The Witcher
     
  7. SnowAngels

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  8. 8truthseeker8

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  9. believe09

    believe09 Well-Known Member

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    IIRC, the Franklin Scandal involves politico's and high ranking people in Omaha.

    I dont think there is any evidence that Sandusky was involved in a ring that pimped out children. Sandusky's MO was pretty consistent and he pursued the kids like a rejected lover when they were old enough to refuse contact with him.

    I mean, the Catholic Church has not been accused of pimping out kids because the priests abused them.

    Again, this is JMO.

    ETA: The Franklin Scandal has been firmly debunked. The purported victims were charged with perjury, and the charges resulted in one being convicted and sentenced to 9-15 years.
     
  10. Jbrown324320

    Jbrown324320 Well-Known Member

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    Believe,
    Time will tell about Sandusky. Hopefully they find no evidence of him selling children. I personally think he was too greedy.
    Yes, the Catholic Church has had instances of priests sharing victims. Please see "Behind the Pine Curtain" for examples.
    I also believe the Franklin scandal has not been 100% debunked. Just because a judge decided someone was lying doesn't mean the person was actually lying. Judges are human and have margins of error. Maybe the judge decided not to believe the witnesses because it would cause a major scandal or hurt some high ranking friends. They have been known to cover up things in the past and recently. Not all judges are honest.
     
  11. believe09

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    Wasnt it a grand jury that twice shot down the idea of an organized pedophile ring?

    ETA: And I just want to make sure I am understanding you-you are saying priests pimped out children to parishoners or other members of the community?
     
  12. Cappuccino

    Cappuccino Well-Known Member

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    Yes, its still ludicrous.

    Those of us who dismiss the Franklin Conspiracy have never done so because we were under some naive idea that paedophile rings don't exist. We all know they exist. So if this Sandusky rumour turns out to be true, it won't make any difference to the credibility of the Franklin conspiracy.

    The reason people who have examined the evidence dismiss it is because....well, we've examined the evidence. None of their claims stand up to scrutiny, so while paedophile rings certainly exist, that particular paedophile ring seems to be a figment of John DeCamp's imagination.
     
  13. Leprikawn

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    I for one, get information overload when I read about this case, and the cover ups, and pedophile rings. I, like everyone else, dont know what is true and what is not, and probably the truth is somewhere in the middle.

    I do think his mother has boxed herself into a corner, and maybe its a corner she wants to be in. Maybe its better to live in this world, than a world where her son is dead. I think that might show in the fact she refuses to give DNA to find a match to find her son.

    I have been on her website and I dont think she trusts a person on this planet. Maybe its justified and, maybe its not.

    Its truly sad this little boy had this happen to him and the monster who did it may never be caught.
     
  14. Wondergirl

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    I am just starting to read on this case, but, it seems very confusing.

    Is there a good place to start?




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  15. elepher50

    elepher50 Help find Adji

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    Honestly I have read the whole thing and there is no good place to start IMO.

    eleph
     
  16. blah956

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    i saw a couple of posts that said that paul had disappeared. did he ever *reappear*
     
  17. SnowAngels

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    Yes, he had been participating on the Franklin Files website. Don't know if he still is.
     
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    Bonnaci has a landscaping business in Nebraska (or at least that kind of business- repair, landscaping, etc...). I think he disappeared from the message boards a couple of years ago.
     
  19. OneLove

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    If the mom won't provide DNA, two possibilities pop into my mind (other than not wanting remains identified).

    Could she know with certainty that her son is living and shields him from becoming a public spectacle?

    Or could she have "guilty knowledge" of what happened to him and want to keep that door shut forever to protect herself or someone close?
     
  20. celticthyme

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    This case has always fascinated me, because of Jacob Wetterling, whose search I was a part of when he went missing. From time to time that case comes up and I return to the Internet to see if there is any more information. I just can not dismiss the information in the Franklin Scandal out of hand. Especially since what he was trying to say about all the various coverups seemed to support the fact that Paul Bonacci and Alishia Owens, Troy Boner were part of this horrid situation and they all reported being taken to these various political gatherings and right into the white house for sexual gratification of the upper echelons in government, at both the state and federal levels. The deaths of Troy Boner and Gary Caradori, the webs of corruption, cover ups and sex trafficking are endless. And there were hundreds of people trying to cover up the tracks of all that was happening. The fact that the kids were groomed and supplied with drugs in order for them to be pimped out by Franklin and his henchmen is well documented

    Check out the many sites of information about the sex scandals in Washington DC, starting with the Bushes.The fact that Bonacci claims he was in the car when Johnny Gosch was taken, that Troy Boner speaks of the killing of Jacob Wetterling . . it is a cess pool of power and abuse whose tentacles reached to all levels of government. I have no idea of MKUltra had anything to do with this or not, but whatever happened to these kids is an abomination.
     

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