IA IA - Rose Burkert, 22, & Roger Atkison, 32, Williamsburg, 12 Sept 1980

Discussion in 'Cold Cases' started by mysterymike, May 21, 2017.

  1. mcbrainder

    mcbrainder Member

    Messages:
    97
    Likes Received:
    66
    Trophy Points:
    18
    That's always been my theory and it would take a lot to change my mind.

    From the killer's perspective, killing one and waiting for the other is too much of a risk. The body could be seen and a scream before the door's even fully closed. I think it was a very controlled situation and they both died within seconds of each other, possibly the blows to the head alternated between them.
     


  2. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,051
    Likes Received:
    4,213
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Or two people following them in two different cars, taking turns to follow more closely and swapping out from time to time to make it less likely they'd be spotted. That would explain the attendant spotting just the one following person or vehicle, not realising there was a second one.

    Mobile vehicle surveillance using only one vehicle is not generally recommended because of the risk of losing the target or being identified.
     
  3. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,051
    Likes Received:
    4,213
    Trophy Points:
    113
    But the article linked early on in the thread said Rose was dressed, so why would she have got into bed? Is it possible that the couple were placed in or on the bed and the covers placed over them after they were dead?

    This is strange - the hotel was essentially full, and the assailant(s) was armed with an axe or similar weapon, yet neither victim screamed or tried to call for help, not to flee the room. Killing two people with an axe or similar isn't an instantaneous method by any means.

    Also, even if the assailant(s) followed them to the hotel from Kahoka, he would have effectively had to get close enough in the hotel to see them book in and then follow them to their actual room, or be close enough to hear them being told their room number.

    Further, strangers wandering around a hotel with an axe are liable to be noticed I would think.

    Is there any indication as to when during their stay they were killed? I'm guessing in the early hours when there'd be fewer people about and maybe just the night porter in reception, but then any sound from the room would have been more noticeable and it's even more strange that Rose was still dressed.
     
    DianeElaine likes this.
  4. mysterymike

    mysterymike Member

    Messages:
    73
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    8
    To answer your first part, I would venture to guess that the killer/s ordered Rose and Roger on their stomachs either with a gun or the weapon he used to kill them, then covered them up after murdering them. As for Rose being dressed, she is most likely how the killer gained his entrance into the room, and that's why she was dressed.

    Yes, you would have thought neighboring rooms would have heard 2 people scream as they were getting axed to death. However, it could be that once the killer/s had Roger and Rose where he wanted them, the fatal blows could have come so quick and so fierce in super quick succession that there wasn't any time to put up much of a fight.

    How the killer/s found the room number is certainly somewhat of a mystery. You presented good theories on that. Another way is Rose could have encountered the killer after dark either when she moved the car or as she was coming back to the room from the bar. This could have been someone she knew and even somewhat trusted and even let into the room, effectively surprising Roger when she returned, which could explain why he was in shorts. If it was a stranger abduction, that would bring up other possibilities.

    I don't think the killer just wandered around the hotel with the weapon. I'm sure he would have found out the room number first before the weapon came into play.

    One of the article quotes I listed in an earlier post gave the time of death around midnight. To me, that sounds logical. Once the killer/s gained entry into the room, he may not have killed them right away.

    And who knows for sure what time Rose came back from the bar.
     
  5. morf13

    morf13 Ver. Insider Golden State Killer & Zodiac Killer

    Messages:
    737
    Likes Received:
    924
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Here's a podcast episode about the case by the true crime podcast, Criminology. You'll hear from Roger Atkison's widow Marcella & Iowa County Sheriff Rob Rotter in this episode Ep51 - The Amana Hatchet Murders
     
    Betty P, Me123 and anonymess like this.
  6. Me123

    Me123 Active Member

    Messages:
    50
    Likes Received:
    231
    Trophy Points:
    33
    Just listened to this based on your tweet! Great ep, usually only listen to murder in my family. Gonna keep an eye on this thread now!
     
    morf13 likes this.
  7. morf13

    morf13 Ver. Insider Golden State Killer & Zodiac Killer

    Messages:
    737
    Likes Received:
    924
    Trophy Points:
    93
    The case will have more national attention soon
     
    Blonded, Luckyzmom and Me123 like this.
  8. jaejae

    jaejae Former Member

    Messages:
    2,895
    Likes Received:
    5,056
    Trophy Points:
    113
  9. morf13

    morf13 Ver. Insider Golden State Killer & Zodiac Killer

    Messages:
    737
    Likes Received:
    924
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Being fully transparent, I was contracted to review & select potential cases for Paul's show, this case was at the top of my list ;)
    There will be a couple more I have posted about on WS that Paul will also tackle
     
    5centnikki, fred&edna, jslk and 6 others like this.
  10. OneParticularHarbor

    OneParticularHarbor Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    90
    Likes Received:
    335
    Trophy Points:
    53
    I am so excited to see what he does with this. Morf, good pick.
     
    morf13 likes this.
  11. imstilla.grandma

    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

    Messages:
    11,344
    Likes Received:
    85,968
    Trophy Points:
    113
  12. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    13,536
    Likes Received:
    49,118
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Thanks, @imstilla.grandma ! Hope you're feeling better. Great analysis of this case by Paul. Is it possible this was the work of a serial killer? I'm not sure I agree with the theory of a heroin addict squeezing the toothpaste to compensate for..... Could a heroin addict stalk victims and carry out these murders without being overpowered by a victim or caught escaping? Still so many questions about this case.

    Here's a link to watch the episode online

    Hotel Homicide
     
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2019
    imstilla.grandma likes this.
  13. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    13,536
    Likes Received:
    49,118
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, thanks for choosing this one. It's a case that is both somewhat obscure, but also highly unusual, very violent and brutal. I'm about 3/4 the way through the episode and it's very good. It helps so much to see the crime scene photos, the room, etc. to get an idea of what happened and the similarity to the other crimes. The toothpaste and choice of weapon always seemed so unusual to me, too.

    Everyone should watch this if you get a chance.
     
    fred&edna, joejs89 and Wilma_W like this.
  14. jaejae

    jaejae Former Member

    Messages:
    2,895
    Likes Received:
    5,056
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Wilma_W and Betty P like this.
  15. jslk

    jslk Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    648
    Likes Received:
    747
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Okay the series has just popped up on one of my streaming services. Where did they get with the exhumation/DNA testing? Any updates?
     
    Wilma_W likes this.
  16. Wilma_W

    Wilma_W Active Member

    Messages:
    30
    Likes Received:
    243
    Trophy Points:
    33
    I've been waiting for this too! But not just this episode, I think just about all of them left some big potential breakthrough hanging. I still love the show, but we need updates!
     
    Betty P and jslk like this.
  17. morf13

    morf13 Ver. Insider Golden State Killer & Zodiac Killer

    Messages:
    737
    Likes Received:
    924
    Trophy Points:
    93
    There is a brand new deep dive podcast about this case which includes interviews with friends and family of Roger & Rose, as well as hotel staff, police investigators, etc Episode 1 is out now: S2 EP 1 'The Murders in Room 260
     
  18. BT2020

    BT2020 New Member

    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    17
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Long time lurker, first time poster. Just finished the podcast and looking forward to part two. Very interested to find out the results of the DNA testing from the Paul Holes investigation.
     
    Betty P, fred&edna, Jbetty567 and 2 others like this.
  19. Jbetty567

    Jbetty567 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    151
    Likes Received:
    1,140
    Trophy Points:
    93
    This will all be addressed in the podcast, Scene of the Crime season 2!
     
  20. morf13

    morf13 Ver. Insider Golden State Killer & Zodiac Killer

    Messages:
    737
    Likes Received:
    924
    Trophy Points:
    93
    S2 EP2 of Scene of the Crime is out now. In 'Crime Scene Investigation' we take a look at the hotel room crime scene, and the evidence that was found in Room 260. We address some theories of how the killer, or killers, accessed the room, and retrace the steps of the investigators as they notify Roger and Rose’s next of kin.
    https://www.spreaker.com/.../scene-of-the-crime-season-2...
     

Share This Page



  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice