- Mar 4, 2018
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Agreed, because if it was the stairs scenario, then he *really* would have had to have been in a trance to not see her! (which in my opinion he did not)Totally agree "walked past" her could have been from 3rd floor stairs or X's room, I lean towards X's room because the audio heard at 4:17. Maybe we'll find out someday.
There was no blood residue (that we know of so far anyway) found on the sheath snap. It was single source DNA, meaning it wasn't mixed with anyone else's DNA. The investigators ran this DNA through the CODIS database but did not find a match. After identifying BK as a possible suspect, following him to his parents' residence and securing garbage deposited in a neighbor's bin, by suspect BK; investigators were able to get DNA from something there that put the person leaving it to 99.99999% the biological father of suspect leaving DNA on the sheath snap. Hope this clears up your query.I wondered if it was his father's also. I might have misread the affidavit but I read ito be that the blood residue on the sheath was his father's and they tied the alleged murderer through the geneology. But I admit I read the affidavit pretty quickly.
Her noting his busy eyebrows.Remember the purpose of the affidavit. How are the actions taken by the roommate relevant to the judge deciding if BK should be arrested?
I'm just surprised they didn't take the mattresses earlier, to be honest.Great hypothesis! WELCOME. We need you here.
And I'll wager that a main defense gambit will be to try and show other stranger DNA in the intimate zone of the victims. Good catch.
In relation to my daughter’s death, I was told by AT&T that they do have messages that are sent as texts and retain for about 18 months. They can release to LE with a warrant. To get iMessages sent from one iPhone to another, LE would have to contact Apple and it would likely be preserved only if that person had iCloud backup if the phone itself could not be retrieved or unlocked.Actual texts (words) are not kept by the cell phone provider - only the numbers and time stamps. I don’t believe photos are kept, but police forensics can uncover that kind of stuff.
Wouldn't that be lovely?I think those surgical gloves, etc. from his car cleaning is what he put in his neighbor’s trash at 4:00 am. moo
I don't think he saw her, either. But in his wicked mind, he could have really been having an adrenaline rush, thinking he had just basically played God and ended the lives of four people, saw one more person and decided to let her live, reveling in THAT power.Agreed, because if it was the stairs scenario, then he *really* would have had to have been in a trance to not see her! (which in my opinion he did not)
Yes.That would make me very suspicious if I had a drone continually flying over my home. And with as cautious as BK was (wearing gloves, washing every inch of his car, and putting trash into his neighbors garbage can around 4am, etc.).. you'd THINK he'd have been extremally paranoid about something as odd as that and you know he's been looking over his shoulder since 11/13.
Remember the purpose of the affidavit. How are the actions taken by the roommate relevant to the judge deciding if BK should be arrested?
I think people i've seen jumping on DM (mostly on TT... i should delete that app lol) forget she likely described everything in far more detail to the police (i.e - how she was feeling, what she thought happened, whether she went to sleep or not etc) and they're just filling in the gaps in super dramatic ways
Except women in their late 50sGood point, 4AM usually resonates with LE and antiterror police, this is usually the time when they preffer to execute high risk arrests simply because vast majority of people are fast asleep then.
Lots of interesting thoughts there - yes, hydrogen peroxide would be better than bleach (although neither is certain to completely eliminate DNA, at least hydrogen peroxide wouldn't make the cleaning process as obvious (especially if diluted).
Interesting point about him planning not to stick around. I think he's nervous around blood and not just because of DNA.
Task/goal-oriented is a good way of describing his motives so far. Wanted to compete (with other students, his professors - and with serial killers/criminals).
I too would love to know what he actually studied. DeSales doesn't have a strong program in genetics, IMO, nor even a basic course in forensic biology/anthropology techniques (that I can find).
I bet he read tons of non-academic true crime (like memoirs of serial killers). IMO. Would love to know how much time he spent annotating his textbooks and cross-referencing the current state of forensics as described in the current literature. Probably had intrusive thoughts about performing a crime, a lot.
They were likely just trying to protect the integrity of the crime scene by keeping everything of importance "as is."I'm just surprised they didn't take the mattresses earlier, to be honest.
Well, he certainly killed enough to get to A-hole status.JMO
It’s possible he only wanted to kill enough people to get to serial killer status.
During my recent court case, I was told by the State that actual text messages can not be retrieved - even with a subpoena to Apple, and then I verified it with my provider that AT&T does not retain actual text messages on ther servers and there is no way to retrieve them unless they are retrieved off the actual phone or phone texts were sent to .In relation to my daughter’s death, I was told by AT&T that they do have messages that are sent as texts and retain for about 18 months. They can release to LE with a warrant. To get iMessages sent from one iPhone to another, LE would have to contact Apple and it would likely be preserved only if that person had iCloud backup if the phone itself could not be retrieved or unlocked.
In this case, the short answer is Corporal Bret Payne of the Moscow PD drafted/signed the subject AA.
Generally, the district attorney, representing the people of the state, makes the decision whether or not to bring charges and/or prosecute a defendant in one of two ways -- a grand jury indictment or by Information and Complaint by the investigating police department.
The prosecutor comes about the police department's criminal investigation information from the arrest warrant affidavit/probable cause affidavit (i.e., AA or PCA) attached or an exhibit to the police department's application for an arrest warrant presented to the Judge for signature, followed by the execution of the warrant by police.
Here, we know that several agencies including the Idaho State Police, Coroner, FBI, WA and PA authorities, and the Latah District Attorney worked together with the Moscow Police Department to investigate the murders, and the contributions by these partners were ultimately included in the 19-page affidavit by CPL Payne dated December 29, 2022. MOO Ah..the long answer.
(For the latter example of a DA filing homicide charges without a police AA, more recently, those following PA's missing/murdered Elizabeth Capaldi might recall the weeks we spent wondering what in the world Bucks County Sheriff/Police were doing to investigate the missing wife/mother when suddenly, on December 15, Bucks County District Attorney Matt Weintraub announced the husband (Steve) was arrested, and his office filing homicide charges after he was indicted by the grand jury (secret) for murder).
BK undergraduate degree was in Psychology, then pursued criminal justice. It makes sense that he’d be interested in criminal psychology.Some said Mr. Kohberger spent time studying the exact kind of techniques that the police used in recent weeks to identify him, and had a deep interest in criminal psychology and crime scenes.
Benjamin T. Roberts, a fellow graduate student at Washington State, said Mr. Kohberger had been interested in areas like psychology and Rational Choice Theory, which suggests that offenders may often try to assess the potential costs and benefits of committing a crime.
“He took the field of study very seriously,” Mr. Roberts said.
A Knife Sheath, Phone Pings and Trash: The Hunt for a Killer in IdahoOn the night four college students were killed, a roommate saw a man clad in black walk through the home. It took a cross-country investigation to find a suspect.www.nytimes.com
Anything lighting up for you from that?
I have a feeling he did it as an academic exercise but I don't know what he was trying to prove that is new, from the few scraps of info we have?
I took a nap and oh my am I behind but maybe this helps.I’ve been through the affidavit very carefully about ten times and I have loads of notes but I have one question I thought I’d ask others.
I majored in forensic biology but am no longer in the field. The specialty I chose (blood spatter analysis) did not afford me the chemical side of forensics so I admittedly ask this question with ignorance.
Before my question, a few notes/mini-questions:
1. Would there be any reason NOT to use luminol on a scene like this? I went through training more than 20 years ago but I cannot fathom a scenario where luminol wouldn’t be used throughout the entire house to detect any spatter, patterns or prints.
2. It doesn’t state in the affidavit that luminol was initially used and I know amido black is sometimes the go-to now so my first question may be irrelevant. I also know amido black is a protein stain but it’s most often used to detect blood. What is the likelihood that the crime scene investigators would have found something other than blood using amido black?
3. The affidavit states that a latent shoe print was found on a second visit to the crime scene and that it was found using amido black. We know it was missed the first time around which happens, especially with large crime scenes. Because this information is in the affidavit, I’m inclined to think that the protein found was blood.
And for my question:
If there was a bloody shoe print that was not visible to the naked eye of trained professionals, could that suggest the print was cleaned up?
I ask this because the timeline is very small for all of what happened to occur and if it’s possible this print was cleaned up, it’s making that window even smaller.
Apologies for the long post and thanks in advance for any thoughts.