ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 16

[cottonweaver]

how do you clear a PoI without them providing a rock solid alibi?

how do you provide a rock solid alibi if it's between 3- 4am & both alibi-er and individual were asleep at home but not in the same bed?

 

[whirrledpeas]

Thanks, Miss Jennifer, for this reminder that X's father said she had "bruises, torn by the knife". Wondering if anyone with medical/forensic experience knows how long it would take for bruises to form (in minimum to maximum range of minutes), and if bruises could/would form if there were contusions made just before and after someone is deceased. This information could inform the extent (in minutes, approximately) of X's interaction with the killer(s).

I majored in forensic biology in college but I’m not currently in the field so my anas/physiology is a little rusty and of course this is all MOO. Bruises can form immediately if the injury is substantial. I imagine a stab with a lot of force used would qualify.

However, once blood flow stops, bruises will no longer occur. Any bruising that had started prior to death would also cease in progression.

I’d also note that bruising should not be confused with livor mortis, which is the pooling of blood in the body after one dies. This is why I was a bit put off in the last thread at the fact the coroner didn’t examine the bodies until well after 5pm that afternoon. She is more qualified that me to speak on their injuries but it is not impossible that bruising was mistaken for liver mortis since so much time had passed between time of death and her inspecting the bodies, depending on how the bodies were placed/left.

Here’s a link about livor mortis, in laymen’s terms. I had to brush up before my post - graduated almost 20 years ago.

https://www.osmosis.org/answers/livor-mortis

All MOO

Edited for grammar.

 

[Hexe]

Wasn’t X’s bedroom directly above one of the survivors bedrooms?

No, the house is built on the slope, so the second floor sits directly on the ground.

Floor plans reveal layout of house where killer knifed University of Idaho students to death: report

 

[SRWCF]

I disagree. They were interested enough to specify Ethan's and Xana's whereabouts in their timeline including 8-9 at the Sigma Chi party and back home at 1:45. Leaving a gaping 4 hours and 45 minutes.unaccounted for.

Why aren't any reporters asking that question during press conferences???

 

[bosh]

Why aren't any reporters asking that question during press conferences???

I can't answer for them. What do you think the reporters know that we don't?

 

[girlrx]

i definitely think it's possible - it's really dismissive of him to say "addressed that issue" and then moved on to say two were found on 2nd and 3rd floor

I don't think they want to get into the details of on the 911 call is why he was being dismissive

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

No, the house is built on the slope, so the second floor sits directly on the ground.

Floor plans reveal layout of house where killer knifed University of Idaho students to death: report

Yeah it's built on a slope but the 2nd level room (x) sits right above the 1rst level room belonging to one of the survivors.

Half the second level sits on top of the 1st level and the other half of the 2nd level is situated on the ground.

 

[Bliss_Perth]

I Would almost bet The Farm(don’t actually Have One) That LE Has at least 1 poi maybe several, think about it, If they’re looking at possible suspects They’re not going to say, I know it’s being dishonest To public but, the POI (S) May not even know They’re being watched by LE, Also if they were to say they had a POI with this massacre getting so much publicity Rumors would run rampant innocent people might be called out, And I’m thinking LE And FBI are pretty Angry that some information has already leaked out, compromising Their Investigation, I Still Think An arrest will Be sooner than later… Gow can you savagely Murder 4 people With todays Technology ( criminal technology) And get away with It… JMO

I feel like this too because of the no immediate threat to the community and they have this person under surveillance right now. Just waiting to pounce and build up a case against them.

 

[crax.t]

I don't think they want to get into the details of on the 911 call is why he was being dismissive

i understand that. i mean more so with the sequence of how he was saying the things. it was like
1. we got a call for unconscious female. person.
2. we addressed that issue <- makes me lean towards it being a surviving vic which is why it felt dismissive
3. we found 2 people on the 2nd floor and 2 on the 3rd floor

 

[Hexe]

Yeah it's built on a slope but the 2nd level room (x) sits right above the 1rst level room belonging to one of the survivors.

Half the second level sits on top of the 1st level and the other half of the 2nd level is situated on the ground.

You're right, my mistake.

 

[DizzyB]

Does anyone have an opinion about M&X both leaving their sorority? Is that common?

 

[ventuc]

No, the house is built on the slope, so the second floor sits directly on the ground.

Floor plans reveal layout of house where killer knifed University of Idaho students to death: report

But that second floor area you see by the sliding glass door is just the kitchen and maybe one bedroom to the right. The second floor continues out such that part of it (X bedroom I think) is over the first floor (roommate’s bedroom). At least that’s how I understand it.

 

[Finders_Keepers]

Whilst I remain positive I genuinely do think they are struggling with a lead.

It’s not just the constant reiteration of having no suspects or POI’s. They are still also asking for quite generic information and we have not seen any evidence of other scenes of investigation around Moscow which Id expect If they even had a few tenuous avenues they were exploring.

Things could change fast but over two weeks in, with approximately 45 full time investigators working 24/7 on the case, it does suggest that any of the typical paths to a suspect - Victims relationships, digital footprints, technology, CCTV etc… have yielded very little if not nothing. Still plausible it will be cracked but some of those areas are so pivotal to solving a case in the modern age and I can’t help but think they would have been zeroing in now with the resources and time they have if the perpetrator had made any mistakes.

 

[crax.t]

Does anyone have an opinion about M&X both leaving their sorority? Is that common?

IMO it could be a multitude of reasons. greek life is very time consuming and very expensive. it's possible they wanted to focus on their studies or have more time to themselves

 

[TooMuchGun]

No, the house is built on the slope, so the second floor sits directly on the ground.

Floor plans reveal layout of house where killer knifed University of Idaho students to death: report

Xs br is above a Fl1 br

 

[Kudzuu]

I know little about Greek life except from my college experience at UT Austin many many years ago. Each fraternity and sorority had a reputation. Tri Delta for example, in my opinion, tended to be affluent girls. Does anyone know the reps of the sororities the victims belonged to? Feel free to pm me if you think it violates TOS. I'd like to know what the typical member might be like. This whole incel/Stacy thing is new to me. Never heard of it.

 

[JosephineRobert]

MOO but the theory/explanation floating around about the "unresponsive female" directly contradicts every piece of information LE has released about the circumstances of the 911 call so I take it with a massive grain of salt MOO

MOO but the theory/explanation floating around about the "unresponsive female" directly contradicts every piece of information LE has released about the circumstances of the 911 call so I take it with a massive grain of salt MOO

Fair enough. I just don’t think, albeit extremely traumatic for them, who/where the survivors realised there had been a crime is relevant to solving who did it and why.

 

[JaimeInLA]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597725655965523968

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597725255795376129

 

[Anonymom]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597704510620962817

This is my best effort at a transcription of the video:

“911 call came in for an unresponsive female, an unresponsive person. And so when officers arrived they addressed that issue and then as well two additional people were found.”

(Video is spliced here)

“Two individuals were found on the second floor and two individuals were found on the third floor.”

My comment, it appears the unconscious female (person) was not one of the murdered victims but one of the roommates. Otherwise, why would it seem somewhat dismissive that the police "addressed that issue" and then "two additional people were found. After the spliced video, clarity about where the bodies were found. MOO