ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 19

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I think it’s possible that X and E, since we don’t know their timeline for the evening.. brought someone back to the house to sleep in the 6th roommates bed / room as it was available. This explains why there was no forced entry and the killer would have then known the layout of the house before the lights went off and everyone went to sleep. It’s also why they didn’t know about the girls downstairs who were likely already asleep but knew about the two upstairs who returned later.
This is very possible and would explain a lot, especially if it was somebody who earlier imbibed alcohol or drugs
 
Welcome! I'm still thinking about K's dad comment like crazy. Definitely sounds like a digital/tech footprint he's talking about.

And if after the crime, it must be something directed/connected to K and not "from" K... things going through my mind:

- Maybe one of her SM accounts/emails was logged in by someone other than her (not phone records)
- Or something similar, maybe an email or text as marked read post mortem so killer was looking through phone
- Or a text or call sent from K's phone post mortem
- Someone posted or sent a condolences, RIP or something relating to murder before it was announced
- Inappropriately or insensitively tagged in a photo or referenced in social media in bad taste after the murder
Good thinking.
 
If This Is The case Why does LE initially say This is An isolated event, and public shouldn’t worry, then See saw back and forth on this, If It Is The House that was targeted Then, We Have an obvious serial killer Running around NW Idaho, So This wouldn’t Be Just A one time event,
It's been posted a couple of times. Here is the link:


I believe it's page 41. I also just posted an example of a targeted house. If you want to view such things as random, it's up to you - but the FBI classifies it differently, as do forensic investigators and LE.

Ted Bundy clearly targeted a housing situation with only young women in it for his final spree. He knew none of them.

He just wanted to have a full on frenzy of killing young women.
Ok, I just read The page 41 Thank You For sending This, it makes a little more sense one Thing Wouldn’t this or shouldn’t LE classify this As A serial Killer?
 
I know this but the autopsies were performed on the Tuesday and the 3-4am was mentioned before that.
yes but are we sure that forensic pathologists were not ordered to attend the crime scene prior to the autopsy itself?
( I can't find a definitive answer on that. I just bumped the old interview of Mabbutt explaining why she wasn't on the scene but she's not a forensic pathologist)


steps in death investigations UK

The pathology strategy
There are several issues that must be addressed in relation to pathology:
  • Notifying the coroner, who will appoint a forensic pathologist to undertake the postmortem examination in consultation with the police.3
  • Consideration of health and safety and staff welfare arrangements.
  • Assessing the value of a forensic pathologist’s attendance at the crime scene or access
    by remote visual means.
  • Liaising with the forensic pathologist throughout the investigation.
  • Removal of the body, including:
o whatactionsmustbeperformedbeforeitsremoval
o supervisingtheremoval
o continuityofthebodyfromthescenetothemortuary
o identifyingthebodytotheforensicpathologist,priortothepostmortemexamination (or establishment of continuity if identity is unknown).
  • Deciding who should attend the postmortem examination and/or scene, including specialists.



etc etc

copied from government document ( Policing)


appreciate that there's different systems & need for reform butsome US states must send paths to crime scene but does Idaho not do this?
 
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yes but are we sure that forensic pathologists were not ordered to attend the crime scene prior to the autopsy itself?
( I can't find a definitive answer on that. I just bumped the old interview of Mabbutt explaining why she wasn't on the scene but she's not a forensic pathologist)
From what I remember the coroner didn't arrive until hours later

ETA- that's who you're talking about, sorry, no idea on the pathologists
 
BBC is now saying that amateur web sleuths are plaguing this investigation. I don't think web sleuths are hurting this investigation in any degree whatsoever. What's plaguing the investigation is that the killer apparently left without much of a trace. And then beyond that fact everything else related to this case is extremely bizarre.
I absolutely disagree. I’ve had the misfortune of having screen caps sent to me about the kind of rank speculation running rampant in other online venues (not WS) & it’s unhinged, unconscionable, reprehensible, & downright dangerous. All IMHO, of course.

Also, I don’t think we know whether or not the murderer left no trace or a lot of trace. That would be info we are not privy to. The scene was complex & will take time to thoroughly analyze.
 
BBC is now saying that amateur web sleuths are plaguing this investigation. I don't think web sleuths are hurting this investigation in any degree whatsoever. What's plaguing the investigation is that the killer apparently left without much of a trace. And then beyond that fact everything else related to this case is extremely bizarre.
I don't think they are talking about us here on this website, i think they are taking about reddit and twitter/Facebook. The rumour mill is drowning over in those sites.

JMO
 
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"To serve and PROTECT"

Federal, State, and local municipalities have a duty to ensure citizens are safe. A public in fear and without safety isn't a prosperous one. A crime ridden town isn't a place many people will want to live. Economy will suffer, property values will be low which means services and infrastructure will be lacking.

I see a good amount of police presence where I live. Guess what? Not a lot of crime in this area. Doesn't mean something crazy can happen here, but there's a feeling of safety that keeps people here and appeals to people wanting to move here. And there's also a reason why there's a stepped up police presence around the Idaho campus...to protect the public from this monster and give peace of mind.

But I do agree, we do have a responsibility in all this. Lock your doors, install cameras, install motion sensor lights, get a firearm (if that's your thing), lock your bedroom door, install an alarm system.

Long winded reply I know, but LE does have a responsibility as a tax funded entity to ensure their communities are protected and safe.
I can't tell if you agree or disagree with me
 
BBC is now saying that amateur web sleuths are plaguing this investigation. I don't think web sleuths are hurting this investigation in any degree whatsoever. What's plaguing the investigation is that the killer apparently left without much of a trace. And then beyond that fact everything else related to this case is extremely bizarre.

ironic from BBC

( having spent hours watching msm on this case where the shows are literally interviewing SM sleuths in order to produce MSM material. Then BBC also jumps on board. smh)

don't tell me... let me guess .. BBC's Marianna Spring?

one example ( of many)

 
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I know this but the autopsies were performed on the Tuesday and the 3-4am was mentioned before that.
The autopsies were petformed on Wednesday, Nov 16th if my memory does not fail me. The first results of autopsies were reported by the coroner on Thursday 17th and ii was reported time of death after 2 am. Couple of days later the time of death was reported as between 3 and 4 am.

If you can kindly provide a link to report about time of death before Wednesday, then we can discuss.

I got a link to the first coroner report here

 
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off topic...but I have to,

no curtains, no shutters, nothing that would give you privacy, especially in the evening with the lights on,

I CAN'T IMAGINE
 
Pastor currently reading out letters from the 2 surviving roomates Memorial
Hi Thatssoamy,
Thank-you so very much for the link. I watched all the way until the friends were heading to the stage to speak and then the stream stopped and it show the dates for the next services. Do you know where I can watch the friends speak?
Respectfully,
Thora_Jay
 
They would need warrants to search individuals' dorm rooms. 4th amendment rights would be relevant. lots of info if you google, but this was the top search find in my browser


Idaho does not have additional provisions in their state constitution, but some states do.
FWIW, I don’t think the dorms are anywhere near the quadruple murder off-campus location, at least as I recall. Moo.
 
If This Is The case Why does LE initially say This is An isolated event, and public shouldn’t worry, then See saw back and forth on this, If It Is The House that was targeted Then, We Have an obvious serial killer Running around NW Idaho, So This wouldn’t Be Just A one time event,

So you're saying that all mass killings (which this is) turn into serial killings? I disagree and think there are counter-examples. U.S. defines mass killing as four or more:


People do workplace violence all the time without ever targeting anyone else. People kill houses containing their own families without ever killing anyone else (they do not become serial killers).

You can question LE if you wish, but I don't think they're waffling, I think they know something we don't.

So, I disagree that it's "obvious" that this is a serial killer. It's more than likely someone who knew the house and its characteristics or knew one or more individuals inside the house.
 
I don't think they are taking about us here on this website, i think they are taking about reddit and twitter/Facebook. The rumour mill is drowning over in those sites.

JMO
let's hope Steve Goncalves isn't browsing those. ( Seen suggestible, bereaved parents get caught up in all sorts of nonsense on those sites, during past homicides. )

tbc am not criticising all FB & R users. Have had accounts on both, over the years
 
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I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up yet...Could not be related at all but I came across this post from the Moscow Daily Activity Log from September 19:

Incident Address: 600 blk TAYLOR AVE
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 17:32
Cad Comments:
Complaint of stalking. Suspect diagnosed with bi-polar and drug induced psychosis. Officer responded. Report taken.

This is super close to their house.

Good find, but LE have already said categorically that they have investigated suggestions of a stalker and could find no verification.

Whilst they need to be elusive and non committal sometimes for the investigation this is one they categorically said they couldn’t verify.

Possible of course that this could be a different person reporting it, but it’s clearly not the victims as it says report taken and it would be traceable
 
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