ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 19

[syrian rose]

She worked. It's a used car. The KBB is $20-25K. Perhaps her parents helped too.

What was her job, where did K work?

 

[WildWest]

Very interesting. I am curious too. Who was the guy in the flannel? What is his expertise? I know they are starting to receive some of the evidence results back from the labs, I wonder if it were some of the results that caused them to go back into the crime scene to collect more evidence? Maybe a very good sign. MOO

I hope so too, and the backpack is odd, maybe that's how he carries equipment for testing for what his expertice is?

 

[Vivyinsect]

No, it appears one of the older gentlemen opens the door of a pickup truck cab to let the younger man in flannel get in.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598768298862465024

My dad has a similar truck and the door to the back seat is a “half door”. The handle is inside the door panel and only accessible after opening the passenger door.

 

[BrownRice]

Does anyone find it odd that Ethan’s family and Xana’s family did not attend either of the two vigils/ceremonies together? Just something I noticed today.

Dana’s family was there at the memorial today. Her dad, sister, and aunt spoke. I don’t find it odd when families don’t participate in these public events.

 

[The Observer]

Very interesting. I am curious too. Who was the guy in the flannel? What is his expertise? I know they are starting to receive some of the evidence results back from the labs, I wonder if it were some of the results that caused them to go back into the crime scene to collect more evidence? Maybe a very good sign. MOO

IMO I think he's a family member that has gone in to collect something needed on behalf of the family.

 

[lucidium]

No, it appears one of the older gentlemen opens the door of a pickup truck cab to let the younger man in flannel get in.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598768298862465024

Thanks. My impression:

1. older guy opens the front door (required to access the rear door latch)
2. younger guy opens the rear door and steps in the back seat
3. older guy gets in the front seat

 

[Mickey Mouse]

I hate asking this but where did KG get the $$$$$/financing for her expensive (?) new car.....

most students would have no money after 4 years of college and rent/food/etc. payments

of course, it could be as simple as her parents bought it for her. and that's extremely likely

<Snip>

When I graduated college, I financed my first car based on the signed offer letter from the job I was starting.

 

[WildWest]

Please cite your source, here’s mine:
Section 18-3302F – Idaho State Legislature

I think kids can get Hunters Safety card and to hunting at 14 y/o.

 

[Coldheat]

City of Moscow Police Department​

Moscow Homicide Update
December 2, 2022

Update 1:45 p.m.: As detectives move forward with the homicide investigation, a private security company has been contracted to provide scene security to free up patrol resources. The scene remains under police control.

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this should answer all questions re the "tech" looking guy..

 

[IceCreamSundae]

Thanks. My impression:

1. older guy opens the front door (required to access the rear door latch)
2. younger guy opens the rear door and steps in the back seat
3. older guy gets in the front seat

I think you’re right.

 

[SUSAN ANN]

That’s why I didn’t say suspect. The backpack, etc. But there’s an odd way he’s being “ushered.” I think 3 dudes out just doing their job could all open their own doors on a vehicle. I can’t put my finger on whether it was just them being polite or the other two guys being in “control.” Although it would be weird to let someone get in the backseat while you were driving. Idk. A super weird vibe.

… like they were ushering him, maybe…

 

[cujenn81]

Not trying to be facetious or flip in any way, but I seriously wish the "Criminal Minds" team was real and on this case. (Not because in tee vee land things are solved in an hour. ) But just to get it solved so as to possibly even slightly ease the agony of the families. And end the terror in the community. I pray that the real BAU in the real FBI is making progress.

Retired FBI profiler Jim Clemente was actually one of the writers for Criminal Minds, and he was asked about his thoughts and opinions on Fox News a few days ago:

Idaho killer likely knew or stalked at least one victim: Former FBI agent Jim Clemente | Fox News Video

Former FBI supervisory special agent Jim Clemente analyzes the traits that community members and law enforcement officials should look for in suspects in the Idaho murders case on 'Your World.'

www.foxnews.com

To summarize his thoughts:
- this wasn’t the suspect’s first foray into or around the house
- either he knew one or more of the victims or he’s been stalking one or more of the victims
- had the time to surveil the house at night
- had the time to be there that night to commit the crime
- may have been covering up wounds after the crime, may have shown up late for work and made an excuse for his absence, may have left the area for a period of time
- there was probably some stressor in his life before he committed the crime (loss of a relationship, loss of a job, some kind of conflict w/ one or more of the victims that made him feel emasculated)
- we cannot think of this guy as a monster because people will be looking for a monster and he’s not a monster; he’s a human being who did a very bad thing (IOW he could be your nextdoor neighbor or the guy on the street smiling in your face)
- the person we’re looking for had a stressor before the murders, had a change in behavior before the murders, and had a change in behavior after the murders

 

[Strong1]

Why do you have a bedroom at your sorority house and also a place to live at a student house?
Can't you live at your sorority one?
Not from the US, so hoping someone can explain.....

I believe that most fraternity and sorority houses have a limited numbered of rooms available. So not every member has a room in the house. She may have had one at one time.

 

[Olivia Reed]

Apparently us websleuths are not helping the investigation? Has the investigation team actually stopped to consider the deep impact that the Murder of 4 Happy innocent young people has had on people across the globe….our hearts break for the victims, the parents, the families and friends… we all want to understand how such a horrendous crime can happen…the perp is still out there…we want him caught.. I work to focus on the-facts.. imo It is entirely possible that one of us websleuths will discover an important piece of information that may help find the perp/s responsible for this hideous crime…IMO

Idaho student murders: Rumours, 'clues' and online detectives

Amateur web detectives are trying to solve the killings of the four students, but experts urge caution.

www.bbc.com

‘In a separate statement, however, the department said that it is still seeking information from the public and that "there is no piece of information that is too small’

Keep up the great sleuthing people!!!

 

[Tagtexas]

this is a really great theory.... one that I don't think I've heard before

Yes! This theory is very plausible. Good thinking.

 

[WildWest]

Yeah… it was entering, not exiting. Probably nothing and I’m overthinking things

We own a "3 door" pickup like that, 2 full size front doors and 2 half sized back doors, our back door latches are on the edge of the side door only accessible after the front door it open, no latches on the outside of the back doors.

 

[10ofRods]

Good idea, but not likely to happen.

Don't most colleges have all rooms deep cleaned before the new semester?

Not that I know of. But I went to colleges/universities where people had to sign a year-long contract.

There was no cleaning except at end-of-year (and not in all forms of housing; married student housing worked more like regular apartments - either the occupants cleaned while leaving, or then, the university would clean and charge the occupants).

It wasn't deep cleaning. Where I work now, students are responsible for cleaning when they leave - and incoming students can elect to hire deep cleaners (they don't, usually).

 

[tayaway]

Very interesting. I am curious too. Who was the guy in the flannel? What is his expertise? I know they are starting to receive some of the evidence results back from the labs, I wonder if it were some of the results that caused them to go back into the crime scene to collect more evidence? Maybe a very good sign. MOO

MOO: Flannel guy with backpack is part of forensics or scene investigation.

 

[10ofRods]

What was her job, where did K work?

It's none of our business, and her parents/family are the source of the information. I am guessing LE has her complete work history - we don't need to know it or sleuth it, IMO.

 

[WildWest]

Retired FBI profiler Jim Clemente was actually one of the writers for Criminal Minds, and he was asked about his thoughts and opinions on Fox News a few days ago:

Idaho killer likely knew or stalked at least one victim: Former FBI agent Jim Clemente | Fox News Video

Former FBI supervisory special agent Jim Clemente analyzes the traits that community members and law enforcement officials should look for in suspects in the Idaho murders case on 'Your World.'

www.foxnews.com

To summarize his thoughts:
- this wasn’t the suspect’s first foray into or around the house
- either he knew one or more of the victims or he’s been stalking one or more of the victims
- had the time to surveil the house at night
- had the time to be there that night to commit the crime
- may have been covering up wounds after the crime, may have shown up late for work and made an excuse for his absence, may have left the area for a period of time
- there was probably some stressor in his life before he committed the crime (loss of a relationship, loss of a job, some kind of conflict w/ one or more of the victims that made him feel emasculated)
- we cannot think of this guy as a monster because people will be looking for a monster and he’s not a monster; he’s a human being who did a very bad thing (IOW he could be your nextdoor neighbor or the guy on the street smiling in your face)
- the person we’re looking for had a stressor before the murders, had a change in behavior before the murders, and had a change in behavior after the murders

the person we’re looking for had a stressor before the murders, had a change in behavior before the murders, and had a change in behavior after the murders

I wonder if this is what the Dad was referring to on his daughters phone as far as "footprint"?