ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #17

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  1. neesaki

    neesaki Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking the same thing. It would make no sense. If something like this did take place, not that I think it did, there would be no reason to hide it if it had been done legally.
     


  2. Midge Montana

    Midge Montana Well-Known Member

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    Yep. To each their own I guess. The refusal alone *might* not sway my mind one way or another in trying to figure out what happened to this toddler. In conjunction with the rest of the things that make me go hmmm, it just seems odd to me. :)
     
  3. Bootsctr

    Bootsctr Well-Known Member

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    Nate Eaton: Alright, so Frank, this letter that has been going around the internet. It looks like you wrote back in September.

    Frank Vilt, PI: Basically, because of circumstances beyond my control dropping them as clients because of a breech of trust on their part because they didn't seem to trust me with what I wanted to do, and what I mean by that I wanted to go public. I wanted to go National/Public and I wanted to advertise and have this little missing boy we'd having more eyes and ears to find this little missing boy. I offered a $20,000 reward and they did not want me to offer the reward. They said that the sheriff did not want it. They said the sheriff did not want to go public, and the sheriff never mentioned that to me. And so I started finding little things that they were inconsistent, their stories did not jive. One was the timeline and there was some over-emphasis of Jessica stating that she knew the boy was in the campground because she kept looking back, "I kept looking back," "I kept looking back," and it seemed like this was an overkill. Why would she keep saying this over and over and over again? She wanted to establish that the boy was in the campground. And this was after they came back from town, and they saw some fish that Isaac and Bob, the grandfather, caught and so DeOrr said, "Well show me where those fish are, "Where'd you catch those fish?" and so they went off with Jessica, DeOrr, and Isaac went off to the creek where they caught the fish supposedly and Jessica said, "I kept looking back to make sure Little Man was there. I kept looking back. I kept looking back." And why did she over-emphasize that? And that was kind of one of the things, and she could not answer my question as to why she kept saying that, why she wanted to establish like an alibi that the boy was there, and some other things that were just inconsistent and did not want to *unintelligible* "They just were hiding things, like they were not coming forth with the truth. Another thing, the timeline did not make sense."

    NE: When the news came out earlier this week, the sheriff is naming them as suspects, were you surprised?

    FV: No, I was not surprised at all and a lot of reasons for that is the Sheriff is not just going to make wild accusations. They are not going to do anything until they have some evidence. There is always Double Jeopardy involved too, so they name them as suspects and, uh, they are not going to make an arrest and most of all, unfortunately, the sheriff is not going to make an arrest until they have the evidence to do so because it is Double Jeopardy. You don't want to make an arrest and then the charges are dismissed with prejudice when they know they have suspects
     
  4. bessie

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    I guess that was my point. If I were drawing up a list of reasons to suspect the parents, the reward would be at the very bottom, or not included at all. It's a non-issue, in my view. And just to add, I remain unconvinced, undecided, and pretty squarely on the fence.
     
  5. Groundwork

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    I just want to say that I really appreciate all the thoughtful, insightful and well-spoken (written?) thoughts, questions and opinions that are being shared tonight. It feels very safe for discussion; even potentially charged topics have been dealt with so respectfully and clearly. I just am really appreciating it, on a day when we are all wrapping our brains around so much.
     
  6. SeriouslySearching

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    Hmmm...no. I think whether DeOrr Kunz Sr. is responsible for his son's disappearance and probable death IS the point!

    It is obvious to me the reason Vilt is speaking out now is to salvage his reputation as a PI. He knows Klein has come in and done everything he did not or could not do, imo. While I do not consider Vilt as a victim, I do believe in a way he was duped by DK and JM. This does put him in a very precarious position with his client, paid or not.

    Putting up a reward is tricky business. The wording of a reward is what is important. I have seen rewards put up by the FBI and rewards put up by well-meaning people who only want to bring attention to cases. The devil, however, is in the details. Some have a limited time for the offer. Others require certain criteria to be met such as the safe return of a person or the conviction of the perp in order to be paid out. Vilt putting up money doesn't mean he would be losing it so for him to make such an offer isn't an enormous risk especially if he thought he was going to make a name for himself, imo. Self-serving? Possibly.

    The entire scenario with the abduction and pushing the adoption theory now really tells me a lot about Vilt and how he works. He either cannot buy a clue or he has some far out ideas when it comes to this case in particular (imo). He knows they were lying to him and to LE, imo, yet he cannot see the reason why? It never entered his mind they could have murdered their own child and lied about it by setting up this seemingly foolproof ruse? He honestly cannot believe it is because they sold or gave him away. The logic of that scenario is simply ridiculous. It is also my opinion the reason the parents did not want to go national with this case is because they thought they were smarter than LE in their state and the FBI. (They were wrong.)
     
  7. lexycat

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    I have been reading the last few threads and I feel the same as you do.
     
  8. SeriouslySearching

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    I want to go back and listen to the bill of goods SB sold everyone on the last interview so I can compare notes. I was annoyed after that interview because he weaved and bobbed with misdirection away from the parents. smh
     
  9. ReadySet

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    Time for a map:
    Here is the site I posted a few days ago. It is a trail bike site; this time I'm posting the "Tour" part of the site. This will take you on a cool tour of road 172, which is the road on the east side of the campsite, that goes up past the reservoir. You can play with the distance, tilt, and speed to get different perspectives. Posters have noted that the campsite is in a "bowl" type of area enclosed by steep sides. I haven't been able to confirm this, but I think road 172 is the road Vernal referred to, when he was talking about being able to see down into the campsite.
    For those unfamiliar with the map, when the Play tab gets to about the middle, you will see the clearing where the campsite is.

    http://www.trailforks.com/trails/stone-reservoir-road-172/tour/
     
  10. neesaki

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    No, don't keep your opinions to yourself, that's what the forum is for. :) And this is as good a straw to grasp at as any, imo. I honestly don't remember noticing that in the re-enactment video so thanks for pointing it out. And I'm completely for 2nd Amendment rights but with children safety precautions are essential, so a good question.

    And now this has me thinking about those "auxillary / ancillary" issues that Klein mentioned were going on at the campground. This case kept me awake last night, I guess it will tonight too.
     
  11. ReadySet

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    Maybe his goal in that regard was to keep the parents talking by expresssing trust in them, instead of directing toward them.
     
  12. SeriouslySearching

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    And then I show up. LOL My posts do get a bit thought provoking and push buttons at times. I promise it is nothing personal to anyone here. It is always safe to post on WS. If I come across as harsh sometimes, it isn't on purpose. I simply don't beat around the bush and I call it like I see it.
     
  13. kammiemc

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    They didn't just bring it up, they "sold" the theory in their first interview IMO. It stopped me in my tracks when they said that they were worried that he was abducted because he wouldn't have wandered without his favorite items. I didn't believe that they believed what they were saying. It seemed planned and manipulative. What child would go to retrieve his items before chasing after mommy and daddy to do something as exciting as fishing?


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  14. SeriouslySearching

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    Ah, yes...that false sense of security.

    It is like having someone try to convince me the sky is not blue when I can see it clearly and I know what the color blue looks like because I have seen it before so many times. People use the analogy, "If it walks like a duck..." often on this site. It is rather like that with someone in a position to know saying there is no duck, never was a duck and if there was one...the duck is a red herring. :banghead:
     
  15. MzOpinion8d

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    Because $20K would be quite motivating for a witness who has been hesitant to come forward. If you knew someone knew something, and were likely to keep quiet for whatever reason, but realize $20K would be enough to loosen their lips, you wouldn't want that to happen.
     
  16. kammiemc

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    ReadySet, that is exactly what I felt, too.


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  17. neesaki

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    <modsnip> Please forgive me for asking this dumb question, but I don't do FB or social media at all, so can someone tell me what that means, to "tag" someone on FB? I'm asking because I was just reading over there and saw it myself. TIA
     
  18. SeriouslySearching

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    It means the post will pop up on that person's timeline for them to see. It is a way to get their attention like waving a little flag that says, "Look at this!".
     
  19. Rayemonde

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    Yes... Remember Jessica made those posters on Facebook of DeOrr photoshoppped with different colored hair, and said he could even be disguised as a girl.
     
  20. Midge Montana

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    Tagging is often done to draw someone's attention to a post. Example: I see a recipe I might want to try. I might tag my husband, so he will be notified that he was tagged in a post. He can then click on that notification and take a look at the recipe and let me know if he wants me to make that for dinner. :)
    Hope that helps.
     
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