ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #29

Discussion in 'DeOrr Kunz, Jr.' started by tlcya, Oct 10, 2016.

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  1. misty48

    misty48 Well-Known Member

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    AFAIK they were both recorded speaking to separate 911 operators at the same time, not to each other. Perhaps you could direct me to the part in the phone recording which proves otherwise.
    I am not aware that anyone has released details of the duration of JA's call to 911.
    Can anyone explain why it would take 16 mins to travel 1'5 miles on that particular road - slower than an average running speed?
     


  2. KatieLiz

    KatieLiz New Member

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    What dont you understand? He didn't have a vehicle. At most he had 1 hour. So you maintain that with J and V on one side of him and GGP on the other, IR killed and hid Deorr in under 5 mins. Then he grabs his fishing rod and casually stars to fish while.waiting for J and V to tragically discover their.missing toddler?

    Then the search begins. And you maintain that in 1 hour IR was able to dispose of this child, on foot, so well that LE cant find him still? Oh and he also snuck a shovel AND a dead 2 year old away without the other 3 adults noticing? Wow how high were the other 3 not to notice?

    So you think that in one hour he could walk or run 30 mins one direction, bury him instantly, and run back 30 mins and not be noticed and not be sweating and out of breath or have blood on him or dirt from digging? He could never dig a hole in 1 hour big enough to fit Deorr and remain hidden from searchers and dogs anyways.

    This argument is completely implausible. NEXT!
     
  3. KatieLiz

    KatieLiz New Member

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    Well thank you. It's been greatly needed on this thread for a few weeks. People seem to be making up new alibis for J and V daily...
     
  4. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    I guess there is a new wrinkle in the updated software here. I was going to bite the bullet and go way back in my very old posts on this thread to find out the source of that statement by GGP.
    I am about 95% certain that it was stated that GGP saw the baby heading towards the embankment before he 'vanished' into thin air. I remember because many of us were so ANGRY that a grandparent would see a toddler going towards a creek and just shrug and assume it was all fine.

    But NOW, after the update, I see no archives of old posts we made. There used to be hundreds of past posts archived in our profile page. but all I can find now of mine are the past 11 posts, all from today. Are all of our old posts gone now??? OR is there a new way of archiving that I have not figured out?
     
  5. koios

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    "In the time distance study it takes over 16 minutes to travel from where the suspect says he got cell phone service to the camp"
    To get 16 minutes out of 1.5 miles one would have to assume an average speed of only 5.6 mph which is perhaps not a realistic estimate for the maximum speed of a truck on that track?
     
  6. KatieLiz

    KatieLiz New Member

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    I will draw your attention to TxJan's post #652- I have snipped the important part and bolded below... I'll be waiting for your rebuttal.


    "KLEIN RELEASE – VDK was 1.5 miles away – Jess emptied her pockets in VDK’s truck

    Klein Investigations and Consulting
    This afternoon investigators are releasing one of the areas of discrepancy in the written statements given by the two suspects in the missing child case - Deorr Kunz, Jr. This is one of many discrepancies between witness statements and actual 911 recordings as well as other evidence. Investigators have been able to enhance the audio background - to which during the 911 call one suspect is talking to the other - when the statement says he is over 1.5 miles away trying to find cell service. As well one suspect says that he was 1.5 miles away in his truck - however - the other suspect says that she put contents from her pockets into the truck after she hung up with 911. In the time distance study it takes over 16 minutes to travel from where the suspect says he got cell phone service to the camp where the child went missing. The two 911 calls were made at 2:36 by the female and 2:38 by the male."


    Also wanting to add you keep saying you haven't seen them release certain details. I'm not sure what country you live in, but it's surprising that we know as much as we do in this case. The details you question are details that investigators will guard closely until trial. The evidence of the time distance studies and the phone call durations will be what makes or breaks this case. So don't hold your breath on those being released anytime soon...
     
  7. KatieLiz

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    I noticed that too. Only 11.
     
  8. The Apparition

    The Apparition Somewhere in Time

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    Excellent points as usual desert-blue. I would be fine if they gave the old guy a little warning though, I don't want to have to see another naked behind the door interview. Seriously though GGP said it himself during a Klein interview when he said something like he might need to get a lawyer soon. He is absolutely doing the right thing for himself by shutting up and staying away because he probably can't follow the web of lies and would just come across more guilty if he spoke. To be honest Vernal and Jessica are having a hard time following the lies they craft so GGP would probably have to bring cue cards to an interview.
     
  9. misty48

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    So the investigators have enhanced VDK's 911 call but have not released this particular audio to the public - is that the correct interpretation?
     
  10. misty48

    misty48 Well-Known Member

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    If the PI says it's true then it must be true. "Brick batting a head wall against your" here, Koios :)
     
  11. The Apparition

    The Apparition Somewhere in Time

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    You are aware that numerous sources have described the road as deeply rutted, and filled with rocks. I read more than once the road was passable at about 15 mph with a truck, so as is often the case you are presenting scenarios that are not possible.
     
  12. koios

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    When she says "We both did" she is referring them both, after searching for 20 minutes, realising that he was not there in the area of the campground.
    Source 5:14 https://youtu.be/mwM1oG3z358
     
  13. TxJan1971

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    I would like to refer you back to Klein since he is the one that made/provided the statement. He has the answers you seek. I am the messenger. You should have the exact same information that I do as far as what Klein has released thus far.

    Furthermore, there is a statement available over in the media thread (transcription) where Bowerman talks about why he is not releasing VDK's tape. You can follow up there for his statement.
     
  14. KatieLiz

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    Yes. That appears to be what Klein is saying. But you need to remember they aren't obligated to release ANYTHING to the public. They aren't going to release the incriminating evidence that will be saved for trial.
     
  15. KatieLiz

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    How do you know that's what she is referring to? She's incredibly vague. You are making an assumption.
     
  16. TxJan1971

    TxJan1971 Well-Known Member

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    BBM

    What happens if Bowerman agrees with Klein and says it's true - then must it be true?
    What happens if Vilt agrees with Bowerman who agrees with Klein - then must it be true?
    What happens if Bonneville agrees with Vilt who agrees with Bowerman who agrees with Klein - then must it be true?
    What happens if the FBI agrees with Bonneville who agrees with Vilt who agrees with Bowerman who agrees with Klein - then must it be true?

    Are all of them right? Or are all of them wrong and the named suspects are right!?

    Time will tell...
     
  17. koios

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    http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/0...-released-my-2-year-old-son-we-cant-find-him/
    J's 911 call lasts 4minutes 37seconds. In the background at about 2:30 in the recording another operator ends V's 911 call by saying "we'll call you with any more questions ok", so V's call possibly ends about 2 minutes before J's call ends. Therefore MOO it is possible that V arrives back at the campground soon after (or even as) J finishes her call. Thanks to Misty48's idea to check what times the 2 calls ended.
     
  18. Alii

    Alii New Member

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    That makes no sense. The question was clear.
    NE: who discovered him missing FIRST? It is unambiguous.
     
  19. KatieLiz

    KatieLiz New Member

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    But the investigators have used technology you don't possess to make this determination. If they believed it was possible for VDK to have returned they would have checked that out before releasing the info.

    Jessicas call was made from 2:36 until between 2:40 and 2:41. Vernal's call was made at 2:38 from supposedly 1.5 miles down an incredibly rough road. Even if his 911 call lasted only 1 second, it would be impossible for him to be back at the campsite by 2:40, 2 minutes after he dials 911 from 1.5 miles away. No. Impossible.

    We also don't know at what point during J's call they isolated this background conversation. Was it before Vernal called 911? Immediately after he hung up? Or right at the very end before J hangs up?

    Although, I don't think any of those times would change the fact he physically couldn't have teleported and he surely didn't drive that 1.5 mile stretch in under one minute.
     
  20. TxJan1971

    TxJan1971 Well-Known Member

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    BBM
    I know which statement you are referring to and am looking for that specific one - but here's a similar one. When I find the one we're thinking of, I'll add it or post it.


    The parents claimed the boy disappeared when the couple and the male friend went on a short hike to fish a creek next to the spot where they had set up at Timber Creek Campground. After showing the couple to the creek, the friend split off to fish a separate section of the water. Kunz and Mitchell later told authorities they thought their son was with the grandfather and the grandfather later said he saw the boy trailing after the trio of adults.

    http://www.postregister.com/article...est/2016/06/25/heavy-hearts-search-continues#
     
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