ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #4

Discussion in 'DeOrr Kunz, Jr.' started by bessie, Jul 27, 2015.

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  1. SeriouslySearching

    SeriouslySearching Well-Known Member

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    The Sheriff there seemed to have a lot of confidence in their dogs and handlers so I would give him the benefit of the doubt. He is familiar with their track records.

    Yes, I get the "bubbles" analogy. However, there were few people in the area where he went missing. Dogs are trained differently and one set depends on the skin cells and oils left on the ground while the other set tracks the airborne scent left wafting off a person. There shouldn't be much confusion of "bubbles" on a relatively fresh scent for either set of dogs.

    Every person, even in the same family, has a unique scent. DeOrr's blanket would have provided more than enough of his scent for a qualified search dog to follow, imo.
     


  2. Floridian

    Floridian Im just a simple gal

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    Jus to add about the drones... my husband jus showed me a video of a drone recording. And I may say it's very detailed. I could see rocks, even saw a rabbit... I don't know why they are using THEM, but I can vouch that. IT COULD DEF SPOT A HUMAN, ADULT CHILD, AND RABBITS.... that's if they have it flying everywhere. And determining how close to land it's going. It's a awesome thing for sure. Just want them to find this scared baby alive...
     
  3. Floridian

    Floridian Im just a simple gal

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    I so agree
     
  4. flourish

    flourish Now With 30% More Emo

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    I wonder if, consciously or not, mom took that to indicate that they would take the situation more seriously if he was gone more than an hour...like if she thought the operator asking that was because it would impact reaction time. I can see myself sort of agreeing with someone during a stressful conversation like that. Idk.
     
  5. SeriouslySearching

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    I listened with headphones and I believe the mother does state an hour before she is asked to clarify it by the dispatcher. The mother seems unusually calm, but I suppose different people handle it in their own way. I would be a blubbering basket case by that time if I had been looking and found nothing. The frantic side would have taken over and the panic set in.

    I would assume the answer to "How long has he been missing?" would go back to the approximate time he went missing and not the time she found he was missing. If I came back to camp and found my child gone...I would start the time when he was last seen running in my head like a beacon swirling around to indicate where he could have gotten off to in that amount of time.
     
  6. ILOKAL

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    Then please read up on mountain lions. Read many, many sources. Learn their behaviors. The kill WOULD have been instant on the "first shot". The mountain lion would NOT have been seen. There would be NO struggle from a child so small and a kill so swift. All the things you believe could NOT have happened coincide with how the cougar hunts. They drag prey that is too large or too heavy to carry. Circumstances would also have a bearing on how the lion retreated.
     
  7. Cardinal47

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    I still believe if there were any Mountain Lions or bears in the area a good tracker would have found signs of them such as scat. Have we heard from those searching of any sighting of such?
     
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    Like you said. The drones are programmed and given parameters. If the child was taken and eaten and buried beneath leaves by a mountain lion, I just don't think the programming would have fit the crime, so to speak. The drones would have been looking for someone they were never going to find.
     
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    I do not think there would be any kicking or screaming. These animals are huge, fast and strong. I've wondered how far DeOrr was from ggf and friend.
     
  10. Cardinal47

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    What has ALWAYS bothered me about the NAP is the amount of time DeOrr spent in the car that day.

    I believe it was about a two hour carride there then another two hours they drove to the store.

    Kids sleep on car rides. People put babies in car seats and drive them around the block so they can fall asleep.

    I don't think DeOrr was ready for a nap.
     
  11. ILOKAL

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    Were trackers used? At the onset? The scat from a mountain lion is not particularly unusual and looks very much like dog poop.
     
  12. Floridian

    Floridian Im just a simple gal

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    Nancy Grace stated parents looked for hour before they called 911.
     
  13. IHAVENOCLUE

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    I really don't think a 28 lb toddler would have been able to put up much of a struggle against a 130 lb. mountain lion - sad to say, he'd have died instantly and it could have been bloodless at the point he was snatched. Lions kill their prey by breaking their necks, killing their prey instantly. There would likely be no time to scream or react for a child of that size who would not have been expecting it. Sorry for the graphic description.
     
  15. Cardinal47

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    That must be very interesting work with drones. What could he expect to find from a reported missing child?
     
  16. SeriouslySearching

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    Maybe there wasn't time for screams or putting up a fight. Still...I don't see how it could be bloodless. They don't gently kill their prey and not gouge them in order to move them. I have heard of several lion attacks and not once did I hear there were no initial marks on the person or there was no blood at the scene.

    Again, I don't think this case in the end will result in being mauled by a wild animal. I believe something nefarious happened to little DeOrr and he will eventually turn up or the truth will be found.

    Evidently, the sheriff doesn't deem it to be likely either. I will defer to him again. He knows the area and he also knows the happenings behind the scenes. ;)
     
  17. darcedarce

    darcedarce It's not easy to tell you goodbye

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    I've just spent the last hour reading up on many, many near misses. All of those things COULD have happened but for them all to align just right is just beyond my belief. Jmo
     
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    Exactly! I was thinking the same thing. he would have been sleeping on the way to campsite, and probably to the store and back.
     
  19. Floridian

    Floridian Im just a simple gal

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    Did anything come ABOUT with the heat sonar. I thought they were using heat sonar, bout I haven't heard any results. I personally don't think he's in the water, nor ate by any animals, nor wandered off.. camping involves hiking, hiking involves trails, trails involve the passing of people from different spots. Deorr would've never been heard of he was grabbed by neck or head by animals. Too many circumstances to lead to a sick person is involved, whether someone there, or ahiker, or someone hiding. Statistics are..... is if someone is not wanting to be found for some reason or another, mountains, creeks, campsites are best place to disappear too, especially criminals not wanting to get caught. Jus saying that's my opinion. It's been stated not too say certain things on here, so I won't. But I have my thoughts. And my gut keeps taking me back to camp site. I believe it's all fixing to unfold, because four people, have no idea.. I just doubt think so... he was two for goodness sake... and scent keeps going back to campsite....why?????? I pray and pray for this baby. And it's heart breaking. I hope the parents are innocent, abd they seem genuinely heart broken.I'm only speaking about the parents...
     
  20. SeriouslySearching

    SeriouslySearching Well-Known Member

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    I have never known a kid who gets to a camping spot and isn't wide-eyed and bushy tailed with the expectation of fun and wonderment at his surroundings. Naps? No way!
     
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