ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #5

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  1. Jules71

    Jules71 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. 3 weeks later is crazy imo!

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    Jamaica - thank you for the transcript of the parents interview. It visually depicts how much dad talked and how poor momma was shut out but I picked up nothing suspicious.
     
  3. IDTater

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    And then today's article had this:

    BBM

    Sorry, gramps, you've been upgraded to POI...
     
  4. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Quite easy. You cannot prove a negative. But he knows, from years of experience and all the evidence, or lack thereof, that an abduction is totally implausible. Knowing something though and being able to prove it absolutely are two different things.

    You know, no one involved in the law requires absolute proof of anything in order to use their logic and come to a conclusion as to what happened or did not in a given scenario.

    So, he may not be able to prove the negative absolutely, thus he cannot rule it out. But that is a different thing from being certain about a thing.

    It is perfectly rational to me.
     
  5. Jules71

    Jules71 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you - great explanation. So then in order to totally rule out abduction, something else would have to be proven.

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  6. katydid23

    katydid23 On Time Out

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    Not allowed to say all of them but there are inconsistencies in his criminal records. And his drug history, And there is his demeanor in the interview. And his statement, when asked about the baby= " He disappeared As Far As I Know" <<not a very convincing testimonial
     
  7. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    It is federal law that local LE immediately notify the FBI of all missing kid cases:

    http://www.missingkids.com/KeyFacts

    Also, you are citing what the FBI does in cases of abductions. There is no evidence of an abduction in this case.

    The articles posted simply state that it is only now that the FBI is getting involved not that they were just contacted, right? The FBI has jurisdiction to get involved in any mysterious disappearance of a small child per the federal Lindbergh law, but it makes the decision as to whether they are going to get involved and when. Local LE does not make that decision, although they can ask for help.
     
  8. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Right, Like his body is found in the forest with no signs of foul play. Just animal predation or death from exposure. Something like that.
     
  9. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    What makes you think there has been no questioning? I'm surprised to see how many people feel that four, separate LE agencies involved in this case, as well as the NCMEC, and various professional search and rescue professionals, are all just totally inept and haven't been thorough.
     
  10. nervous_nellie

    nervous_nellie Carpe Noctem

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    I agree and my thoughts about the Employer Rumor are: This happened on a weekend didn't it? by the time that interview was done he couldn't have missed only a couple of days (MAX) of work. I don't see how a rumor could have gotten started that fast. jmho So, that leaves the Rumor/CLUE of the filthy child and man being seen by the clerk at 18:00...I don't understand why they discount this if they truly believe that he was abducted.
     
  11. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Not me. I'd want to find my kid or great grand child. I would do anything and everything to assist LE in any way and lawyering up shuts that down immediately. And this is an attorney making that statement!!!
     
  12. jashrema

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    Finally...Deputy <modsnip> has invited the feds in. They should have been called at the 24 hour mark and if I was the parent I would have put SO much pressure on that dept and in the media that they would have had no CHOICE but to call them in. Their silence speaks volumes to me.

    As far as
    You can be ARRESTED and not be mirandized. The police can arrest you, throw you in a room and let you sit there and you are not allowed to leave because you have been arrested. IF the police decide to then INTERROGATE you , you have to be MIRANDIZED. It's all about whether or not you are being interrogated or "interviewed nicely". Many police do a soft interrogation to find facts and make people believe they are not "suspects". Mirandizing has nothing to do with whether you're a person of interest or a suspect. They can mirandize you at any time but then anything you SAY can and will be held against you, or so says my exhusb. undercover vice/narcotics for 30 years.
     
  13. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    First, I don't think they truly believe he was abducted. But telling themselves that is more hopeful than believing his little body is rotting in the forest. Second, they seem certain that the sighting was of themselves with Deorr. But just that the time was off. Because they know they were there, they know what their truck looks like and they know what Deorr looked like and what his demeanor was when they went in the store. It appears that all matches with the sighting?

    BTW, do we know if this little store has surveillance cameras? Wouldn't that clear things up quickly?
     
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    jashrema Verified insider - Sierah Joughin case

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    That's why it is so hard not to sleuth these POI's. Because it's all semantics. They are not only POI but they are suspects in every aspect of the word because they were THERE WHEN HE DISAPPEARED. That's a no-brainer. He's just not using the WORD because of threats of litigation or fear of litigation.
     
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    There was a statement posted by SleuthMom, I believe, that the store did not have any cameras. It is way upthread somewhere though. She had contacted them to ask.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Could you show me where it has been reported that the sheriff just invited the FBI in? Also, has it been reported that they never notified the FBI per federal law, of this case until now? Because I haven't seen that.

    Finally, LE take these missing kid cases very seriously and very personally and these are the cases they shed blood, sweat and tears over. The cases that haunt them. These detectives, these sheriffs have gone without showers, sleep, food and seeing their families, for hours and hours at a time, to solve this case. There is zero evidence of corruption or ineptitude here. Why are so many so vitriolic about the agencies involved in trying to find Deorr?

    <modsnip>
     
  17. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    That's a shame.
     
  18. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    I'm sorry. That's simply not true. A person becomes a suspect when they are suspected by LE of committing a crime. Just being present when something bad happened does not make one a suspect. Other circumstances do. If there is no evidence of foul play, then there are no suspects.
     
  19. MyBelle

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    The link I posted upthread states that the FBI has to be invited and the father has said from the beginning that he believes his son was abducted.

    JMO
     
  20. Jules71

    Jules71 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe he works weekends and had not received time off for camping/searching?? Was this a spur of the moment or planned trip?

    I don't really understand either how in 72 hours, rumors about his employer would have started. Unless he was talking about it - like man I'm supposed to go to work on such and such day I hope I don't get in trouble/fired for staying here to search for my lost son even though we think he was abducted. ??

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